Duvidoo

It's a pity the President has to be born American, otherwise that could be outsourced to India as well. America might be more popular with an Indian president?

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retarded Duvi showed up and made a fool of himself followed by you.

Malkavian

Hmm... ok. Now imagine, if on top of rising gas prices and mortgages they would have to pay even more money for American made goods...

As for Fannie Mae CEO, i'm pretty sure he's got a few successes under his belt to justify $20M paycheck... otherwise, he wouldn't be one.

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PursuitOfHappinessParty

If the alternative is outsourcing to nations to circumvent minimum wage laws, especially in the view of final cost of payroll in relation to final delivered price, then yes.

So basically you are saying that minimum wage laws are bogus and need to be done away with so corporations can pay people here whatever they wish in order to not be 'the same economy we did 60 years ago'? Our current economy is hostage to 1/100th of 1% wage to delivery price?

BTW, we pulled ourselves out of a world-wide depression creating stock market fiasco without corporations, then went and won WWII. Then the U.S. became a production giant that turned us into a world power, without corporations and without outsourcing. There was growth of industry as opposed to a service based economy that's held hostage to the whim of corporations. I also might point out that service is the first commodity to disappear when times get tough, like what is about to happen. What does the U.S. economy do when that happens, now that we don't make didley?

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PursuitOfHappinessParty

Sounds like an Bangladesh problem.

Then they don't need our outsourcing, them being so export savvy. At what point did Bangladesh start outsourcing here?

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PursuitOfHappinessParty

No it hasn't. The cry of the corporatists defending $100+ million dollar CEO ("only way to get a good CEO and keep them from getting jobs overseas") would tend to make this untrue.

Corporation ownership and home-offices will and have been outsourced to other countries, such as Dubai. Many corporations with their lack of patriotic ties will do the same now that they've wrecked the U.S. economy. There's no pride of ownership or patriotism in their charter or in their behavior.

When the going gets tough, the corporations will wiffle and move.

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PursuitOfHappinessParty

There were many events, true enough.
However, a service economy like we have now would have been unable to take advantage of any of them. Without production capabilities, this country is fucked the next time things go south. BTW, things are migrating as we speak.

Okay for the corporations, they've had the largest shift of wealth in the country's history during Bush's reign, so they'll have enough cushion. Corporations have also shown no loyalty or patriotism, so their moving out of the situation they've created will be easy enough.

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PursuitOfHappinessParty

I'll bet.

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PursuitOfHappinessParty

On top of corporate oil profiting gas prices and unscrupulous ARM mortages, they (being those fortunate to be able to afford the above) would have to pay even more for American made goods? First off, with less corporate greed those first two scenarios wouldn't have happened. Now let's look at those hurt by outsourcing: working class. Not the traditional target for mortgages and doubtful they'll receive the windfall in stocks from slave labor, they just 'enjoy' the prices. Prices they can't afford anyway, now that their job has gone overseas and their corporation has downsized.

Maybe, instead of wholesale fucking the workers, also known as full fledged citizens - the same as you - why not examine a scenario that addresses the need for outsourcing 1/100th of 1% of wage to total cost. So a minimum wage employee would impact the total cost? Doesn't seem to bear out if you look at the whole cost to market scenario, does it?

Not necessarilly true, but CEO pay is the least of people's problems. If you can get a wage, take the wage. Corporate policy is the real evil.

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Malkavian

Bangladesh's problem is too much breeding... That devalues their labor (supply and demand, too much supply), and causes their already lousy resources to be spread across way too many people. This prevents investment in infrastructure and education, making them even more worthless. Hence they are desperate for any job they can get... Thus when any company shows up and offers them a bowl of soup, they are happy. That's no slavery... that's a fairly predictable consequence of their actions.
Well, they do buy our military hardware...

More seriously, i don't think Bangladeshi firm would do well here right off the bat. But the blame for that goes to the American consumer and the idea of brand recognition...

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Malkavian

I have no pity whatsoever for those who lost their houses due to ARMs. The odds are, they put no down payment, and lost absolutely nothing, except wasting money on interest payments, but that's same as rent, and serves them right. I rent, even though i could easily buy a house, because i'm uncertain how long the good times will last, and where i'll wind up. Nothing wrong with renting, though i understand, it's not as sexy as owning a house...

Gas prices... Well, it's about time Americans seriously thought about energy efficiency. So i'm glad both of those scenarios happened... Maybe we'll actually learn some useful lessons here, and they stick this time, unlike 1973. The whole outsourcing game can be easily stopped if American consumers demanded goods made here... but they don't. Sooner or later, it'll all correct itself out, when Asians will stop hoarding $USD, and our currency will go down the toilet, as it has been going for the past few years. We'll be begging for lead poisoned Chinese toys when that happens. Americans will be willing to work for less than Bangladeshis, and things will come to a balance, lol. It won't be pretty though.

Well, not all the jobs being outsourced pay min wage... A US programmer pulls in $30K at least, mostly more... Indian will do it for $3K... That's huge savings... It enables you to sell product cheaper and push those employing Americans off the market. But who decides that? American consumer, when they price shop... If you sold the toy for $8 instead of $10, you'd sell a lot more toys... And you could pocket the remainder of the difference as profit. A win win, decided by good old shopper on a 'saving' spree ...

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