The US vs The EU - Page 2

PursuitOfHappinessParty · 07-25-2008, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DRS112

hmmm maybe I was wrong....

Here's my beef....With strong central government you end up with wack jobs like Bush controlling everything...at least with stronger states I have more influence over the government.

But your state's power in in Congress, and as a National unit convorting with corporate playthings and living in DC don't seem to be handling the 'wack jobs like Bush' nowand seem to be representing interests other than the people who elected them.
A strong Congress can and has handled uniliateralism with its own power. The states are a good way to divide up responsibility tho, and a great way of picking your congress, but with partyism and lobbyist you are dreaming if you think State's have didley power in and of themselves now.
Increase their power and you increase individual states abilities over other sates, the united in United States begins to unravel. I can easily see ways that states could become beggar states having their policies dictated to them.

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Hell, states alone serve as a check....don't like the way your state is ran? move to another...with a strong central government you've got people thousands of miles away making decisions for you. For instance, senators from dry states would LOVE to pipe the water down that way, and probably could if their party was in power and they had a lot of pull if it weren't for our rights to govern the water here....

I kinda did this above. I guess I got ahead of myself.

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....plus it helps with diferent government bodies trying to tackle the same problems from diferent directions....Others can compare and contrast the results to their own and make changes as necessary.

This isn't inclusionary or exclusionary of states or the federal government.

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I don't mind a strong central government in the sense that you were talking about with the toys and such, but restrained...that's the tought part....

Oh, I know. But everything I post on PG is connected. As I wish to change 'this and that', sometimes 'that' gets debated by someone using 'this' as an example, which wouldn't hold true if taken together.

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EDIT: btw Julia, nice try starting a thread so we could stay on topic...but as you can see we blew that out of the water alreadyI blame POHP, he's a sneaky bastard

He started it.

Heretic · 07-25-2008, 04:49 PM

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Couldn't have done it a few moment's ago before I left a message on POHP?

What I've always found strange, is that people on the left LOVE the EU even though it is pro free trade.... and if you believe the EU is like the US, it would be a VERY weak central government with strong states rights....

Has it not occurred to anyone that it's not versus the EU rather we and the EU will help each other strengthen our economies? Far better an option than the tyranny of the comminist government of China. Trhe counties of the EU, alongside the U.K., have been our very best allies for sixty years [or longer, as is the case of France].

DanS. · 07-25-2008, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Heretic

Has it not occurred to anyone that it's not versus the EU rather we and the EU will help each other strengthen our economies? Far better an option than the tyranny of the comminist government of China. Trhe counties of the EU, alongside the U.K., have been our very best allies for sixty years [or longer, as is the case of France].

Yeah....that's the point I was trying to make in my second post here....there is no reason it has to be an adversarial relationship.

Kanadesaga · 07-25-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DRS112

Yeah....that's the point I was trying to make in my second post here....there is no reason it has to be an adversarial relationship.

Everything is adversarial. Even amongst friends.

DanS. · 07-25-2008, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanadesaga

Everything is adversarial. Even amongst friends.

Only to you.....

Heretic · 07-25-2008, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DRS112

Yeah....that's the point I was trying to make in my second post here....there is no reason it has to be an adversarial relationship.

That's [yet another] thing that irritates me about the right wing. When they attack the EU I take that as code that they want to attack the middle and low incomes here in America, by- in effect, damaging our own economy and reducing our allies.

julia · 07-25-2008, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Heretic

Has it not occurred to anyone that it's not versus the EU rather we and the EU will help each other strengthen our economies? Far better an option than the tyranny of the comminist government of China. Trhe counties of the EU, alongside the U.K., have been our very best allies for sixty years [or longer, as is the case of France].

This was spillover discussion from another thread, Heretic. It was funny b/c the two kept saying I don't mean to go off of thread topic, but...

BleedingPinky · 07-26-2008, 10:59 AM

US vs EU?

#1. We Europeans use a lot of Italian body expressions. We use hands, noses, foots, you name it, for communicating. Language barriers is a pain in the ass, but on the same time it´s fun, it keeps your mind opened.
#2. We Americans tend to think we can handle everything. And that everyone will understand our ways of life wherever you land at. Nope. Though we have a constitution which the french tried to copy, and the most stable political system out there, we do not know a fucking clue of what happens out there.

DanS. · 08-03-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PursuitOfHappinessParty

But your state's power in in Congress, and as a National unit convorting with corporate playthings and living in DC don't seem to be handling the 'wack jobs like Bush' nowand seem to be representing interests other than the people who elected them.
A strong Congress can and has handled uniliateralism with its own power. The states are a good way to divide up responsibility tho, and a great way of picking your congress, but with partyism and lobbyist you are dreaming if you think State's have didley power in and of themselves now.
Increase their power and you increase individual states abilities over other sates, the united in United States begins to unravel. I can easily see ways that states could become beggar states having their policies dictated to them.

I kinda did this above. I guess I got ahead of myself.

This isn't inclusionary or exclusionary of states or the federal government.

Oh, I know. But everything I post on PG is connected. As I wish to change 'this and that', sometimes 'that' gets debated by someone using 'this' as an example, which wouldn't hold true if taken together.

He started it.

I'm not sure how it's neither inclusionary or exclusionary...You'll have to expand on that for me.

And again I'll repeat my point using the Great Lake states. Without the power to govern our own resources legislatures from other areas especially dry ones could try and use those resources in way that are environmentally and economically counterproductive. If they live a 1000 miles away they have little concern for what happens here, and are not beholden to the voters here either....just the ones in their state.

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