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Old 09-20-2008, 01:31 PM   #11 (permalink)
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well there is Kinky Fiedman, and Ann Richards, was terrific
If Obumbler and McCain't continue to wiffle on Iraq, continue to hide from the buy-out issues, and continue to show their corporate allegiences then Kinky just might get 1 write-in vote in Dallas - mine.
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Old 09-20-2008, 01:32 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I kinna like the dude, from what I know about him.

seems to be a conservative Dem. type.

Or as we say down south Blue Dog Dem
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However, no matter what you or I think or whom we support, shouldn't McCain and Obama supporters get their choice? How about doing away with ballots all together and allow people to actually elect whom they wish? Anyone left off a ballot is an anti-vote by the government (rules) and thus unconstitutional and definitely not democratic.

they still can...you said yourself that you may consider writing in kinky friedman a few posts up...there is nothing preventing mccain and obama supporters from doing the same should this thing actually get the attention it deserves...

but don't you mean we should do away with the electoral college instead of ballots?
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Barr's money would be better spent fighting to keep his own name on the ballot rather than sink so low as to engage in the same unethical slapsuits the two major parties use to keep out comeptition.
currently he doesn't have much of a chance, as no third party candidates ever really do...if he wants to spend his money pointing out the hypocrisy that plagues third party candidates during national elections and in the process force the two party establishment to accept their fate under texas law, then more power to him, hell i might even donate to his cause...it's probably money better spent than fighting the current up-mountain battle of trying to get on the ballot in the first place and in only a handful of states on top of that....
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they still can...you said yourself that you may consider writing in kinky friedman a few posts up...there is nothing preventing mccain and obama supporters from doing the same should this thing actually get the attention it deserves...

but don't you mean we should do away with the electoral college instead of ballots?
Tongue in cheek. I would use a Friedman-type vote in the past to send my small message, but times are too volatile to waste the vote. For once in my life I must drop my principles and will join the lemmings and vote for the lesser of two evils.

I do mean do away with the electoral college as well as ballots. Ballots support partyism. Electoral college supports gerrymandering.
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Tongue in cheek. I would use a Friedman-type vote in the past to send my small message, but times are too volatile to waste the vote. For once in my life I must drop my principles and will join the lemmings and vote for the lesser of two evils.

I do mean do away with the electoral college as well as ballots. Ballots support partyism. Electoral college supports gerrymandering.
just think if this works, you wouldn't have to do that because mccain wouldn't get those 34 electoral votes and that would effectively put him at roughly 231 to obama's 273...not even close enough to steal

how about redesigning the ballots to eliminate (d)s, (r)s, (i)s etc.? otherwise how would people vote, just by writing names in? what happens if they are illiterate but can recognise the name of their choice? or for all the people who would decide that is just more work than they are willing to do to vote?
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currently he doesn't have much of a chance, as no third party candidates ever really do...
Not when the big two are so anxious to openly violate election law and engage in intimidation tactics.

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What hpocrisy? I want specifics. All I've seen of these accusations toward third parties like the Green or independents like Nader are blatant lies that don't even take long to disprove.

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and in the process force the two party establishment to accept their fate under texas law, then more power to him, hell i might even donate to his cause...it's probably money better spent than fighting the current up-mountain battle of trying to get on the ballot in the first place and in only a handful of states on top of that....
Once the repubicans have sufficient means to ditch third parties once and for all [and with democratic party help] the D's will be next. Whent opposing third parties you're in fact enabling, aiding and abetting the fascist right wing. They're the only ones who win when third parties are bullied from the race.
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What hpocrisy? I want specifics. All I've seen of these accusations toward third parties like the Green or independents like Nader are blatant lies that don't even take long to disprove.
not hypocrisy by third parties, rather the hypocrisy towards third parties by the two party system...he's using his money to call them out, and given that it is next to impossible for third party candidates to get on ballots in the first place, and certainly not enough to garner the required number of electoral votes to win, i still say his money is much better spent in this endeavor than not...
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not hypocrisy by third parties, rather the hypocrisy towards third parties by the two party system...he's using his money to call them out, and given that it is next to impossible for third party candidates to get on ballots in the first place, and certainly not enough to garner the required number of electoral votes to win, i still say his money is much better spent in this endeavor than not...
More than likely Bob Barr's an insergent candidate to derail third parties. It's not the first time the right wing did this. What do you think Pat Buchanan's two runs were about. He's not Liberarian. He remains a loyal agent of the extremist right wing. And now he's an MSNBC fixture propaganting disinformation to maintain the illusion of "ballance" on that network.
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just think if this works, you wouldn't have to do that because mccain wouldn't get those 34 electoral votes and that would effectively put him at roughly 231 to obama's 273...not even close enough to steal

how about redesigning the ballots to eliminate (d)s, (r)s, (i)s etc.? otherwise how would people vote, just by writing names in? what happens if they are illiterate but can recognise the name of their choice? or for all the people who would decide that is just more work than they are willing to do to vote?
That would be furthering the Dems and Reps stranglehold on elections by proxy as they can play that game much better with better funds. Also leads to a possibility of a party to take over much like the Nazis did.
Good point about how people would have to write in the vote, but I don't have a problem with that. The little boxes gives us chads and Diebold, written votes do not. The illiterate can get stuffed. If you can't read or write then its up to you to improve that situation as a thinking human being. Better the few illeterates learn than hold our whole system hostage.

Or..
Ballot change where anyone can put themselves up for election (by a specific date).

People thinking its not worth the effort is what's already happening. Voting (Texas is horrendous) is a pain. Depending on State, you have pre-registrations, convuluted districts, vague instructions. All to try to drive the workers and poor away. To the tune of 53% eligible not voting. Simplify! SSN = 1 vote, mandated eligibles must vote by law (Australia), open balloting, no electoral.

Easy Smeasy.
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