obama~mccain...part 3 - Page 10

RK77 · 10-15-2008, 08:42 PM

David Gregory floats too many lies ---- he really has to go!

Andrea Mitchell had to correct him.

What is going on on CNN?

RK77 · 10-15-2008, 08:45 PM

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I fail to see how a corp tax rates accomplish any of that though. And really that's the logic that is used to give tax breaks for giving to charity.

High taxes for polluting, lower taxes for production with environment safety in mind.

Heretic · 10-15-2008, 08:47 PM

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stock options have nothing to do with profits.

Another sham. Often profits are hidden by reinvestment- often not within their own company. Whoever told you otherwise lied to you.

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If a CEO exercises it's stock options it doesn't come out of a company's profits...it comes out of investors in the secondary markets pocket.

Right, and no shuffling around happens at all.

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If Corporations have offshore mailing addresses they aren't American corporations....but any profits MADE here are still taxed here. If coke makes profits in Japan it pays Japanese taxes on those profits.

You can't be that obtuse. American corporations are using these out-of-country mailing addresses to evade taxes. This isn't in dispute. You're defending a vaporous myth.

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Any money made in offshore accounts is taxed when it is brought back here.

Maybe you should tell the journalists at Frontline who proved that it isn't getting taxed. You might win a Peabody with that "discovery."

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But anyways...NONE of this addresses the need or the logic behind the taxes.

It does in fact. America corporations have been avoiding their responsibility for many years, and it's time they chip in to shore up the country that gave them their shot.

DanS. · 10-15-2008, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RK77

High taxes for polluting, lower taxes for production with environment safety in mind.

I would be happier fining companies for polluting than increasing or decreasing their tax rates based on the level of pollution. It takes ALOT longer to get something like that through congress than it does to create an enforcement agency that can operate into perpetuity without the need to ask congress for every action that it takes. Alot like OSHA.

DanS. · 10-15-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Heretic

Another sham. Often profits are hidden by reinvestment- often not within their own company. Whoever told you otherwise lied to you.

Right, and no shuffling around happens at all.

You can't be that obtuse. American corporations are using these out-of-country mailing addresses to evade taxes. This isn't in dispute. You're defending a vaporous myth.

I honestly have no clue what you're trying to say here. I can't even respond because I think you may be confused about some things but I'm not sure what they are....seriously wtf?

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Maybe you should tell the journalists at Frontline who proved that it isn't getting taxed. You might win a Peabody with that "discovery."

You're right it doesn't get taxed UNTIL it's brought back here. That's why they go offshore because they can make money on their investments without paying taxes on the front end and only on the backend....again...this might be one of the things you're confused about. But I should clarify...they paid money on the profits initially but they don't on the profits made via investment each year...almost like your 401k. and REALLY it's a symptom of overtaxation...seeking tax shelters is part of what happens.

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It does in fact. America corporations have been avoiding their responsibility for many years, and it's time they chip in to shore up the country that gave them their shot.

They're doing their fair share by either paying their EEs more, paying the owners(stockholders) or by investing in the company creating growth.....if you tax them you are eliminating any of those three....and again...that money can be recovered later in those first two areas....

Heretic · 10-15-2008, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DanS.

I would be happier fining companies for polluting than increasing or decreasing their tax rates based on the level of pollution. It takes ALOT longer to get something like that through congress than it does to create an enforcement agency that can operate into perpetuity without the need to ask congress for every action that it takes. Alot like OSHA.

Actually no, you could provide enforcement through existing agencies. The EPA [with a rational appointee] would verify the lowered pollution and the IRS would enforce the tax end.

leftparadise · 10-15-2008, 08:56 PM

why did McCain claim Palin knew anything about families with children with autism ??? her child is Down's Syndrome, last I heard. duh.

I nearly fell off the couch when McCain raved about how great his rally audiences were - has he seen the YouTube ??? oh, wait, that's on the computer, he couldn't have seen it.

And what was up with McCain's smile - creeeeeeeeepy

DanS. · 10-15-2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Heretic

Actually no, you could provide enforcement through existing agencies. The EPA [with a rational appointee] would verify the lowered pollution and the IRS would enforce the tax end.

I would have no problem with the EPA enforcing the fines.

So you would prefer that worker safety issues were reflected in taxes as well as opposed to how it is now with fines levied by an agency?

leftparadise · 10-15-2008, 08:57 PM

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I would have no problem with the EPA enforcing the fines.

So you would prefer that worker safety issues were reflected in taxes as well as opposed to how it is now with fines levied by an agency?

can we keep this thread about the debate ?

SOG · 10-15-2008, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DanS.

I disagree...he's not as clear or on point as he usually is.

I'll take it a step farther and say if the debate cpntinues this way polls will show that McCain won.

That's my prediction.

I don't know at what point in the debate you posted this, but it was clearly an Obama win by the end.

McCains face said it all.

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