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Old 12-17-2007, 05:57 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Tell us when it's the quietest since '02.
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Old 12-17-2007, 07:56 AM   #12 (permalink)
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It must drive you liberals crazy to see that the US is winning in Iraq. You all hate to see good news from Iraq and immediately go into spin mode when you read it. The surge is working and it drives you crazy because you were all hoping for America to lose the war.
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BAGHDAD - Violence in Iraq is at its lowest levels since the first year of the American invasion, finally opening a window for...

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robust holiday retail sales.

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Old 12-17-2007, 01:58 PM   #14 (permalink)
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It must drive you liberals crazy to see that the US is winning in Iraq. You all hate to see good news from Iraq and immediately go into spin mode when you read it. The surge is working and it drives you crazy because you were all hoping for America to lose the war.
Just a few numbers on the death toll from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Body_Count since 2003



How anyone can claim they've victory with this many deaths, regardless of who died is, just sad.
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Old 12-17-2007, 02:02 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Just a few numbers on the death toll from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Body_Count since 2003



How anyone can claim they've victory with this many deaths, regardless of who died is, just sad.
We are contemptible.
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Old 12-17-2007, 02:12 PM   #16 (permalink)
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n the past two months, more than half a dozen mass graves have been found in Iraq, at least half of them in Baghdad. At one site discovered in late November, in a yard in Baghdad's Saydiya neighborhood, bodies and their severed heads were buried in two separate holes, according to a source at the Ministry of Interior who isn't authorized to speak on the record. An additional 16 bodies were found buried in a ditch north of Baghdad last Thursday.

. . . in the heat of the civil war, militias boldly advertised their slaughter. Bodies—headless, burned, slashed open and perforated with drill holes—were left in plain sight as a message to others. Now, with most Baghdad neighborhoods dominated by one sect or the other, the death squads can afford to be more subtle in their killing. . . .

The strategy also reflects some positive developments in Baghdad. With many more U.S. and Iraqi troops out on the streets, killers cannot be as brazen as before.
This is the real impact of the "surge". Negotiate a separate peace in Sunni-populated areas -- and then arm them to the teeth and get them on the US payroll to protect their own turf -- which does nothing to address the underlying conflict(s), but does make the assorted bad-guys more cautious in their work.

What happens when the money we are bribing the Sunni factions with runs out? What happens when the Army reduces troops levels -- which it has already stated it HAS to?
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you think it's quiet now, you should have seen the place before 2003. freakin library.


I guess we should be happy..... I bet everyone is IraQ is... The percentage of those that want the usa they hell out asap is so high now days they won't even poll the ppl anymore..........

I wonder what the population is in Bagdad now days???? About an 1/8th of it was back in 2003............?????

I wonder if bush will sail another air craft carrier over there so he can have a nice back drop for his next "mission accomplished" photo op?????
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Old 12-17-2007, 04:44 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Mud, do you believe everything you read? My son was there a couple months ago and it's not quiet dear. If it is quiet, remember this;
"And he was such a quiet man"
Neighbors and towns people who knew Ed Gein.
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Mud, do you believe everything you read? My son was there a couple months ago and it's not quiet dear. If it is quiet, remember this;
"And he was such a quiet man"
Neighbors and towns people who knew Ed Gein.
I believe what the general on the ground leading our troops in Iraq says. Are you calling Odierno a liar? Democrats already called General Petraeus a liar.
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The surge has worked to a small extent to cap violence.
But the real lessening of sectarian warfare has come about because of ethnic cleansing in Baghdad, and the provinces


The problem is the central government has not taken advantage in the lull to actually negotiate with the factions to insure an Iraq will still be one country when we leave.

We are nothing but a lid on the pressure cooker.
Take that lid off, and the whole thing will still boil over.
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