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Old 12-17-2007, 05:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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white house ordered to detail meetings...

White House told to detail Christian leader visits

By Randall Mikkelsen 19 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. judge ordered the Secret Service on Monday to disclose records of visits by nine prominent conservative Christian leaders to the White House and Vice President Dick Cheney's residence.


The ruling, in response to a legal watchdog group's suit, could shed light on the influence leaders like James Dobson of Focus on the Family have had on President George W. Bush's administration. It may also affect legal efforts to force the release of visiting records of convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff and other similar cases.


"We think that these conservative Christian leaders have had a very big impact," said Executive Director Melanie Sloan of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, which filed the case.


"The White House doesn't want to talk about how much influence these leaders have, and we want to talk about how much they do have," she said.


Dobson is one of the most influential opinion leaders among conservative Christians who are at the heart of Bush's political base.


Others whose visiting records were sought included Family Research Council president Tony Perkins, Gary Bauer, who unsuccessfully sought the 2000 Republican presidential nomination, and Moral Majority co-founder Jerry Falwell, who died in last May.


U.S. District Court Judge Royce Lamberth rejected as "misguided" the Secret Service's arguments that disclosing the records would reveal confidential policy deliberations.


The Secret Service is responsible for presidential security and clears visitors for entry to the White House and Cheney's official residence. It also argued that the records were not under its control but were protected presidential documents.


Lamberth wrote: "The most that can be said is the Secret Service acts as if the White House has legal control over these records. Upon closer inspection, however, even this proposition seems suspect."


The White House has also fought against releasing Abramoff's visiting records. Lambeth's ruling means they cannot be destroyed without permission of the national archivist, Sloan said.


She said she expected the administration to fight the ruling, but if it survives it could mean White House visits will be considered public records.


Their disclosure would then be open to challenge only on a case-by-case basis, for reasons such as state secrecy or attorney-client privilege.
Justice Department spokesman Charles Miller said the agency was reviewing the ruling but had not decided whether to appeal.

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anyone can see that there's been a concerted effort to inject conservative christian dogma into our laws...

so that's no surprise.

this would be revealing in the sense of documentation of that effort, in terms of time lines, and who the primary players are in the movement to establish conservative christian state sponsored religion via the back door of policy and legislation.
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Old 12-17-2007, 06:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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we're being persecuted sooo unfair! those godless peeeeeeple.
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did anyone see the Christine Ananpour (sp) on CNN the other night??

These fundies aren't playing around. They want a Christian Nation.
Which is the main reason Huckabee is doing so well.

They want God in every phase of public life.

Thsi is one reason I shake my head when i hear there is " no difference " in the partys rants.
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White House told to detail Christian leader visits

By Randall Mikkelsen 19 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. judge ordered the Secret Service on Monday to disclose records of visits by nine prominent conservative Christian leaders to the White House and Vice President Dick Cheney's residence.


The ruling, in response to a legal watchdog group's suit, could shed light on the influence leaders like James Dobson of Focus on the Family have had on President George W. Bush's administration. It may also affect legal efforts to force the release of visiting records of convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff and other similar cases.


"We think that these conservative Christian leaders have had a very big impact," said Executive Director Melanie Sloan of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, which filed the case.


"The White House doesn't want to talk about how much influence these leaders have, and we want to talk about how much they do have," she said.


Dobson is one of the most influential opinion leaders among conservative Christians who are at the heart of Bush's political base.


Others whose visiting records were sought included Family Research Council president Tony Perkins, Gary Bauer, who unsuccessfully sought the 2000 Republican presidential nomination, and Moral Majority co-founder Jerry Falwell, who died in last May.


U.S. District Court Judge Royce Lamberth rejected as "misguided" the Secret Service's arguments that disclosing the records would reveal confidential policy deliberations.


The Secret Service is responsible for presidential security and clears visitors for entry to the White House and Cheney's official residence. It also argued that the records were not under its control but were protected presidential documents.


Lamberth wrote: "The most that can be said is the Secret Service acts as if the White House has legal control over these records. Upon closer inspection, however, even this proposition seems suspect."


The White House has also fought against releasing Abramoff's visiting records. Lambeth's ruling means they cannot be destroyed without permission of the national archivist, Sloan said.


She said she expected the administration to fight the ruling, but if it survives it could mean White House visits will be considered public records.


Their disclosure would then be open to challenge only on a case-by-case basis, for reasons such as state secrecy or attorney-client privilege.
Justice Department spokesman Charles Miller said the agency was reviewing the ruling but had not decided whether to appeal.

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anyone can see that there's been a concerted effort to inject conservative christian dogma into our laws...

so that's no surprise.

this would be revealing in the sense of documentation of that effort, in terms of time lines, and who the primary players are in the movement to establish conservative christian state sponsored religion via the back door of policy and legislation.


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did anyone see the Christine Ananpour (sp) on CNN the other night??

These fundies aren't playing around. They want a Christian Nation.
Which is the main reason Huckabee is doing so well.

They want God in every phase of public life.

Thsi is one reason I shake my head when i hear there is " no difference " in the partys rants.
Absolutely correct.
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