ron paul keeping white supremacist donation! - Page 11

DanS. · 12-20-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kana

Yes, originally that's what we were talking about. Now, I'm more addressing my problem with the states' rights loophole.

oh...well states can't do whatever they want...they're bound to the constitution as well.....

.....nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law

slowhand · 12-20-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Teri B.

Well, I wouldn't vote for him because I don't think most people realize how far he'd take his libertarianism, and while I agree with some of what he has to say, I don't think we should dismantle the federal government, do away with all trade deals and regulation, and just go into a free market frenzy.

However, I have no problem with Paul keeping this money, cause everyone, even people we don't like or agree with, should have a voice, or that's oppression. When are people going to learn that you can't change anyone's minds by lording over them, calling them names, excluding them, and proving to them that the people they hate are "evil." If you treat them better than they treat others, then you haven't gotten their dirt on you, because you haven't allowed yourself to become a hater too. At least that's how I try to look at it.

You are right..If theres one thing Ive learned from my message board experience, is that Im not going to change anyones mind, and the more I pry, the more they dig their heels in..I look for credibility, and integrity in candidates, as well as experience, and common sense no-nonsense approach to issues..Theres nothing that turns me off more than when a politician steps in shit, and I watch them try to talk his/her way out of it..Like that You tube VK posted.."I dont need their money..I dont agree with their views..It muddies the water"..etc..I think to myself, if Bush, or one of his cronies did what he did, and said something like that, people would be all over them..me included..I figure when a guy does something as petty as accepting $500 lousy dollars from a white nationalist..How can I trust him if he cant figure out what the noble thing to do is, with that kind of a simple situation?..Doesn't matter to me even if he's really not a white nationalist himself..To me it speaks volumes about his character

DanS. · 12-20-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kana

But why stop there? Why not vest that power in the county, as there are certainly cultural differences from one county to the next. That's definitely the case here in Washington. But there are differences between cities within counties, so why not vest that power in the town and city councils? Or even within the governing bodies of individual neighbourhoods?

When you go down this road, you end up with "libertarians" like Gary North, who believes local religious groups should have the "freedom" to execute homosexuals by stoning for violating God's law. This runs entirely contrary to my understanding of libertarianism and the etymology of the word. Libertarianism should be about the rights of the individual, not empowering any group to take away those rights, whether it be the US congress or the Dogpatch, Missippippi, town council.

uhuh...I agree with you...but I think you believe that states or local govt.'s can work outside the constitution...and they can't.

DanS. · 12-20-2007, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by slowhand

You are right..If theres one thing Ive learned from my message board experience, is that Im not going to change anyones mind, and the more I pry, the more they dig their heels in..I look for credibility, and integrity in candidates, as well as experience, and common sense no-nonsense approach to issues..Theres nothing that turns me off more than when a politician steps in shit, and I watch them try to talk his/her way out of it..Like that You tube VK posted.."I dont need their money..I dont agree with their views..It muddies the water"..etc..I think to myself, if Bush, or one of his cronies did what he did, and said something like that, people would be all over them..me included..I figure when a guy does something as petty as accepting $500 lousy dollars from a white nationalist..How can I trust him if he cant figure out what the noble thing to do is, with that kind of a simple situation?..Doesn't matter to me even if he's really not a white nationalist himself..To me it speaks volumes about his character

Slowhand...if you stop to think about it...would you take their money? I can see how it is a stupid move politically...but hell...if some assholes want to give me their money...fuck em...better I have it than them...

VKMHVM2 · 12-20-2007, 05:09 PM

What with the pathetic and desperate attempt to link Ron Paul to White Supremacists on the basis of a $500 donation, I figured it's time to dish up some real dirt, like the $20,000 the Clintons took from a known cocaine smuggler. And we have ART! There are no photos of Ron Paul with his supposed White Supremacist supporter, but there sure is a picture of Hillary Clinton posed with the cocaine smuggler, right in front of the White House Christmas Tree!

slowhand · 12-20-2007, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Richterscale

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...0&postcount=12

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...2&postcount=15

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...3&postcount=17

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...0&postcount=22

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...2&postcount=31

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...15&postcount=3

Am I starting to get through yet? Cherry picking anonymous comments off of a message board to prove a point about anyone (except the original poster) is just not a prudent strategy. I can 'prove' my position just as easily.

You originally said to go over to stormfront, and see what they really think about him..Click on any page at random, and there is almost complete hands down support for him, as well as Ron Paul campaign icons and logos on most of the posters signatures, etc..You can pick and choose whatever post/s support your point of view, to make my argument, or your argument..But theres one thing you can get away from..He is their man, and that measely $500 has gone a long, long way with them in that respect

Kana · 12-20-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DRS112

uhuh...I agree with you...but I think you believe that states or local govt.'s can work outside the constitution...and they can't.

My point was really that I believe it is acceptable for the federal government to put limitations on state governments consistent with the protecting the rights of the individual. That's the point of the constitution. I want limitations placed on government at all levels. Sorry, I know I've gone off on a tangent, here.

slowhand · 12-20-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Richterscale

You'll have to pardon me for not basing my opinion on spoon-fed statements.

My humblest apologies for wanting to actually do my own research, and make up my own mind.
So what should be my penance? Should I maybe spend a few hours over at PNAC just to even things out a bit?

So then there must have been something you read over at stormfront, or somewhere that turned you against supporting Paul?

For your penance I would like you to write 1000 times.."They hate us for our freedoms"

itsmeeeeeee · 12-20-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by eagleclaw

Where the fuck did I say that? Try reading it again, I basically said that as citizens of the United States of America they have the same rights as you to express themselves whether you agree with them or not.

It is not that complicated. Or are you some kind of "conspiracy nut".

well, then, why is it a non-issue if he keeps the money?

Richterscale · 12-20-2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by slowhand

...and that measely $500 has gone a long, long way with them in that respect

Could you clarify this? Do you mean that that $500 is going to sway Ron Paul to support their causes? Or do you mean that Don Black's contribution to Ron Paul swayed a lot of SF'ers into supporting him as well?

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