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Old 12-21-2007, 11:24 AM   #21 (permalink)
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This is neither about Lakotas, nor Apaches, except indirectly. But some stuff is creepy enough to insert wherever possible:

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Skull_Bones.htm

2. Secrets of the "Tomb"

The Order flourished from the very beginning in spite of occasional squalls of controversy. There was dissension from some professors, who didn't like its secrecy and exclusiveness. And there was backlash from students, showing concern about the influence "Bones" was having over Yale finances and the favoritism shown to "Bonesmen."

In October of 1873, Volume 1, Number 1, of The Iconoclast was published in New Haven. It was only published once and was one of very few openly published articles on the Order of Skull and Bones.

From The Iconoclast:

“We speak through a new publication. because the college press is closed to those who dare to openly mention 'Bones'....

Out of every class Skull and Bones takes its men. They have gone out into the world and have become, in many instances, leaders in society. They have obtained control of Yale. Its business is performed by them. Money paid to the college must pass into their hands, and be subject to their will. No doubt they are worthy men in themselves, but the many, whom they looked down upon while in college, cannot so far forget as to give money freely into their hands. Men in Wall Street complain that the college comes straight to them for help, instead of asking each graduate for his share. The reason is found in a remark made by one of Yale's and America's first men: 'Few will give but Bones men and they care far more for their society than they do for the college....'

Year by year the deadly evil is growing. The society was never as obnoxious to the college as it is today, and it is just this ill-feeling that shuts the pockets of non-members. Never before has it shown such arrogance and self-fancied superiority. It grasps the College Press and endeavors to rule it all. It does not deign to show its credentials, but clutches at power with the silence of conscious guilt.

To tell the good which Yale College has done would be well nigh impossible. To tell the good she might do would be yet more difficult. The question, then, is reduced to this -- on the one hand lies a source of incalculable good -- on the other a society guilty of serious and far-reaching crimes. It is Yale College against Skull and Bones!! We ask all men, as a question of right, which should be allowed to live?”

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Old 12-21-2007, 11:32 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Ohh bullshit! If they're getting free healthcare it's clear they're getting what they pay for, because their quality of health and life expectancy on the reservation is as low as many third world countries.

Probably another U.S. violation of treaty.
Their life expectancy is about that of South Saharan Africa...........

Ppl close their eyes to "America's victims" here.............. How can they ever see the victims overseas..?????
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Ppl close their eyes to "America's victims" here
What people are closing their eyes to the Native Americans?
If you are a physician, and you go into Flandreau, SD, e.g., with good intentions to "save " the population, rent a house, and the first day you come home from work there's 5 or 6 Indians in your house living there, how long are you gonna stay there? AND one or more of them threatens to kill you if you tell them they have to leave? And the local Indian police will do nothing to help you. Yes, this has happened in villages. There's many stories out there very similar to this. There are some villages one just doesn't go to. Some just don't want the help and it's hopeless to try. Let them go. Make new passports, new nation, whatever, let them figure out how to help themselves (hint: they won't).
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What people are closing their eyes to the Native Americans?
If you are a physician, and you go into Flandreau, SD, e.g., with good intentions to "save " the population, rent a house, and the first day you come home from work there's 5 or 6 Indians in your house living there, how long are you gonna stay there? AND one or more of them threatens to kill you if you tell them they have to leave? And the local Indian police will do nothing to help you. Yes, this has happened in villages. There's many stories out there very similar to this. There are some villages one just doesn't go to. Some just don't want the help and it's hopeless to try. Let them go. Make new passports, new nation, whatever, let them figure out how to help themselves (hint: they won't).
I am familiar w/ your feelings on the subject as well as your cynicism... ~shrug~

I don't blame you & I know you have tried......

Thankfully there are those less cynical & more willing to do the thankless jobs in places like that........... & similar places around the world......

There are places on the reservation you just don't go to... LOL Well I can assure you there are places outside the reservation you better not go to as well.........

I hope they can find their way to a better life for themselves..... Certainly the job/goodwill & helping them/ourselves has not achieved all we had hoped.....
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I am familiar w/ your feelings on the subject as well as your cynicism... ~shrug~]
Not cynical at all. Most (all maybe?) from the Indian Health Service have no problems finding a village to work in where they are not only safe, but appreciated and where they can make a difference.

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Thankfully there are those less cynical & more willing to do the thankless jobs in places like that...........
Fort Yukon, AK hasn't had a physician last more than 2 weeks for more than a decade. I know not one has been there for at least the last 5 years, at all. The only reason one even ends up there is because he/she doesn't know any better. Almost the minute (no exaggeration here) a doc arrives there, attempts are made to run him/her out of town. 2 weeks is actually a long stay there.
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& similar places around the world.................
Noone in their right mind is going to go work where they don't have a place to sleep and their life will be threatened. I personally know docs who've done volunteer work in Africa, but they were greatly appreciated, from what they've told me.
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Old 12-21-2007, 02:41 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Fort Yukon, AK hasn't had a physician last more than 2 weeks for more than a decade. I know not one has been there for at least the last 5 years, at all. The only reason one even ends up there is because he/she doesn't know any better.
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Well I never heard of the place but I am sure it is a nice place & America would be proud of the place & that we house our native population there....

Thats their choice...... If I have a cut or tooth ache & want to suffer that is my own affair.......... I have no problem w/ it........

I guess after a while (5 years) someone started to realize they don't want any more fucking help.........

They prob think they got more than enough help already from the gov..

Somehow when the gov helps these ppl (Haiti, Nicaragua & Panama, Philippians etc....... ) their left w/ a fuckin mess & Uncle Sam is left scratching his head wondering what he did wrong........
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So secession has its uses afterall, doesn't it?
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Sounds like the independent indian reservation in Brave New World.
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All Native Americans are entitled to health care by the U.S. Public Health Service (U.S.P.H.S.) if they live in a designated area, not necessarily an Indian reservation although all that live on reservations are entitled to the service. The health care is not free, it is paid for by our taxes.
Given the history I call that a fair deal- IF, that is they were actually recieving decent healthcare, which life expectancy and quality of health prove they're not.

This just another of your stealth shots against socialized medicine [incase others didn't catch on], but if and when they reap the benefits of it then we'll have something to debat.

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Some Native villages and tribes choose to take advantage of their relationship with the govt. and not only get great medical care, but the Native Corporations make out quit well financially.
There are tribes or villages that are very hostile to what the U.S.P.H.S. and the govt. have to offer, and get virtually no benefit from it. When they literally chase away health care workers, there are none, and consequently their quality of health and life expectancy decrease.
You've still yet to prove anyone is chasing away healthcare workers. until you establish that premise I'll just assume you're guessing or you made it up.

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I worked in Metlakatla, AK years ago, was treated as one them , as were the other health care workers. It was a good experience and the quality of life of the Natives there wasn't bad.
Once again, those tribes that do not want, nor will take advantage of what the U.S. govt. has to offer may as well go their own way. I can promise you this... their quality of life will not improve.
You really should reserve your opinions to subjects you actually have real knowledge about. Otherwise you leave yourself exposed.
The problem is your claims about medical care have proven highly suspect, so it's your word I doubt.
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What people are closing their eyes to the Native Americans?
If you are a physician, and you go into Flandreau, SD, e.g., with good intentions to "save " the population, rent a house, and the first day you come home from work there's 5 or 6 Indians in your house living there, how long are you gonna stay there? AND one or more of them threatens to kill you if you tell them they have to leave? And the local Indian police will do nothing to help you. Yes, this has happened in villages. There's many stories out there very similar to this. There are some villages one just doesn't go to. Some just don't want the help and it's hopeless to try. Let them go. Make new passports, new nation, whatever, let them figure out how to help themselves (hint: they won't).
Another baseless tale.
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