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Old 12-21-2007, 04:20 PM   #31 (permalink)
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This is the most promising secessionist movement I've seen for a while. Secede!
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Old 12-21-2007, 04:56 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Another baseless tale.

I think you are to hard on him............

You should have encouraged him to tell us more..............

I want to hear the part about how the damn Indians hog the refrigerator & don't put the cap back on the toothpaste........

OH & the tv, my god don't even go there..........

Do they leave the toilet seat up to???

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Old 12-21-2007, 05:44 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Given the history I call that a fair deal- IF, that is they were actually recieving decent healthcare, which life expectancy and quality of health prove they're not..
This is just another of your blantant shots against socialized medicine.
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You've still yet to prove anyone is chasing away healthcare workers. ..
You sound like a fundamentalist christian telling me to prove Jesus didn't bring back Lazareth from the dead.
How many years experience do you have working in Native villages as a health care provider with the Indian Health Service? I'll make it easier for you. How many days of this experience do you have ? How many minutes? None? Oh really?


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The problem is your claims about medical care have proven highly suspect, so it's your word I doubt.
What claims? I will make this claim: IHS docs are some of the hardest working, and most knowledgeable I've come across. Keep posting. Your ignorance amuses me.
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I think you are to hard on him............

You should have encouraged him to tell us more..............

I want to hear the part about how the damn Indians hog the refrigerator & don't put the cap back on the toothpaste........

OH & the tv, my god don't even go there..........

Do they leave the toilet seat up to???

It's his only schtick he has.
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Its interesting to read both of these articles and notice the difference in the language used




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WASHINGTON — The Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the United States.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us,'' long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means said.

A delegation of Lakota leaders has delivered a message to the State Department, and said they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the U.S., some of them more than 150 years old.

The group also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and would continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months.

Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free - provided residents renounce their U.S. citizenship, Mr Means said.

The treaties signed with the U.S. were merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists said.

Withdrawing from the treaties was entirely legal, Means said.

"This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically article six of the constitution,'' which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, he said. ( I think bush believes that he is the supreme law of this land)

"It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent,'' said Means.

The Lakota relaunched their journey to freedom in 1974, when they drafted a declaration of continuing independence — an overt play on the title of the United States' Declaration of Independence from England.

Thirty-three years have elapsed since then because "it takes critical mass to combat colonialism and we wanted to make sure that all our ducks were in a row,'' Means said.

One duck moved into place in September, when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples — despite opposition from the United States, which said it clashed with its own laws.

"We have 33 treaties with the United States that they have not lived by.
They continue to take our land, our water, our children,'' Phyllis Young, who helped organize the first international conference on indigenous rights in Geneva in 1977, told the news conference.

The U.S. "annexation'' of native American land has resulted in once proud tribes such as the Lakota becoming mere "facsimiles of white people,'' said Means.

Oppression at the hands of the U.S. government has taken its toll on the Lakota, whose men have one of the shortest life expectancies - less than 44 years - in the world.

Lakota teen suicides are 150 per cent above the norm for the U.S.; infant mortality is five times higher than the U.S. average; and unemployment is rife, according to the Lakota freedom movement's website.



this one a paints a little more extreme picture, such as activists, 'apartheid', nazi-collaborators and a something of a rebutal by current Lakota leaders.

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WASHINGTON - A group of "freedom-loving" Lakota activists announced a plan Wednesday for their people to withdraw from treaties their forefathers signed with the U.S. government.

Headed by leaders of the American Indian Movement, including activist, actor and Porcupine resident Russell Means, the group dropped in on the State Department and the embassies of Bolivia, Venezuela, Chile and South Africa this week seeking recognition for their effort to form a free and independent Lakota nation. The group plans to visit more embassies in the coming months.

The new nation is needed because Indians have been "dismissed" by the United States and are tired of living under a colonial apartheid system, Means said during a news conference held at Plymouth Congregational Church in northeast Washington. He was accompanied by a bodyguard and three other Lakota activists - Gary Rowland, Duane Martin and Phyllis Young, all of South Dakota.

"I want to emphasize, we do not represent the collaborators, the Vichy Indians and those tribal governments set up by the United States of America to ensure our poverty, to ensure the theft of our land and resources," Means said, comparing elected tribal governments to Nazi collaborators in France during World War II.

Rodney Bordeaux, chairman of the Rosebud Sioux Tribe, said his community has no desire to join the breakaway nation. Means and his group, which call themselves the Lakota Freedom Delegation, have never officially pitched their views to the Rosebud community, Bordeaux said.

"Our position on that is we need to uphold the treaties, and we're constantly reminding Congress of that message," Bordeaux said. "We're pushing to maintain and to keep the treaties there because they're the basis of our relationship with the federal government."
Nation's proposals

Members of the new nation would not pay any taxes, and leaders would be informally chosen by community elders, Means said. Non-Indians could continue to live in the new nation's territory, which would consist of the western parts of North and South Dakota and Nebraska and eastern parts of Wyoming and Montana. The new government would issue its own passports and drivers licenses, Means said.

"Our withdrawal (from the treaties) is fully thought out," Means said, referring to peace treaties the Lakota people signed with the government in 1851 and 1868. "We were mandated by our elders in 1974 to do two things. First, to establish relationships with the international community... and the second mandate, of course, was to reestablish our independence."

Bolivian Ambassador Gustavo Guzman, who attended the press conference out of solidarity, said he takes the Lakotas' declaration of independence seriously.

"We are here because the demands of indigenous people of America are our demands," Guzman said. "We have sent all the documents they presented to the embassy to our ministry of foreign affairs in Bolivia and they'll analyze everything."

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Its interesting to read both of these articles and notice the difference in the language used









this one a paints a little more extreme picture, such as activists, 'apartheid', nazi-collaborators and a something of a rebutal by current Lakota leaders.




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Vichy Indians...................



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The new nation is needed because Indians have been "dismissed" by the United States and are tired of living under a colonial apartheid system, Means said during a news conference held at Plymouth Congregational Church in northeast Washington. He was accompanied by a bodyguard and three other Lakota activists - Gary Rowland, Duane Martin and Phyllis Young, all of South Dakota.

"I want to emphasize, we do not represent the collaborators, the Vichy Indians and those tribal governments set up by the United States of America to ensure our poverty, to ensure the theft of our land and resources," Means said, comparing elected tribal governments to Nazi collaborators in France during World War II.
lol.................. EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The US & Britain have used this system quite well........ Not only w/ the Indians but w/ the rest of the world as well............

The Suadi, Jordanian ppl did not vote to have these families rule them......

As well as many other countries.... Burma, Thailand etc... Set up some chump that will do as he is told & willing to enforce the rules for their masters.. In essence do the dirty work for them.......

Exactly what Israel hopes to do on the west bank.... Have a client run the show on their behalf............. Works very well........... Romans & Persians as well as many others found it useful as well..............

Although the chances of much coming of this are pretty slim I hope it can penetrate the main stream media @ least enough to show how the deceit & treachery is worked on our behalf.........
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