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Old 12-26-2007, 09:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hillary's Claims of Experience: Hype vs. Fact

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Originally Posted by The New York Times
The Résumé Factor: Those 8 Years as First Lady

By PATRICK HEALY
Published: December 26, 2007

As first lady, Hillary Rodham Clinton jaw-boned the authoritarian president of Uzbekistan to leave his car and shake hands with people. She argued with the Czech prime minister about democracy. She cajoled Roman Catholic and Protestant women to talk to one another in Northern Ireland. She traveled to 79 countries in total, little of it leisure; one meeting with mutilated Rwandan refugees so unsettled her that she threw up afterward.

But during those two terms in the White House, Mrs. Clinton did not hold a security clearance. She did not attend National Security Council meetings. She was not given a copy of the president’s daily intelligence briefing. She did not assert herself on the crises in Somalia, Haiti and Rwanda.

And during one of President Bill Clinton’s major tests on terrorism, whether to bomb Afghanistan and Sudan in 1998, Mrs. Clinton was barely speaking to her husband, let alone advising him, as the Lewinsky scandal sizzled.

In seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, Mrs. Clinton lays claim to two traits nearly every day: strength and experience. But as the junior senator from New York, she has few significant legislative accomplishments to her name. She has cast herself, instead, as a first lady like no other: a full partner to her husband in his administration, and, she says, all the stronger and more experienced for her “eight years with a front-row seat on history.”


Her rivals scoff at the idea that her background gives her any special qualifications for the presidency. Senator Barack Obama has especially questioned “what experiences she’s claiming” as first lady, noting that the job is not the same as being a cabinet member, much less president.
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Matthews had a guest on last night to discuss this. All was admitted by the guest.

However, when the same guest got into things she WAS involved in, Matthews couldn't change the subject fast enough.

He talked about her, as first lady, visiting places she saw as brewing problems, and being ahead of the curve.

She saw poverty in Africa, trade relations with China, etc. as growing problems.

She asked in a meeting unrelated to this question, about how concerned we should be with China's growing military.

This gentleman who made Matthews noticeably uncomfortable, gave a pretty good review of her as first lady, displaying many experiences that help qualify her as president.

It was on Hardball last night, so I'm sure the video is, or will be, available shortly.
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The topic is Hillary Clinton; her claims of "experience" vs. hard, cold facts.

Chris Matthews is irrelevant to the discussion.
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The topic is Hillary Clinton; her claims of "experience" vs. hard, cold facts.

Chris Matthews is irrelevant to the discussion.
His guest was very relevant to this discussion, as this topic was that topic, and he saw it up close.

Amazing how everything that undermines your points is "meaningless"

His guest put some "hard, cold" facts of her experiences as first lady on the table.

It is fair game to question how being first lady gives one experience that will help as president. Absolutely a good, reasonable question.

The gentleman on Hardball, cited much of her first lady experience that will help her as president.

If you're going to cite one side of the equation, why ignore the other side?
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His guest was very relevant to this discussion, as this topic was that topic, and he saw it up close.
Is Chris Matthews mentioned in the Times article, above?

And, you can't even point to this "guest" by name.

LOL

Out of gas, again.

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Amazing how everything that undermines your points is "meaningless"
Actually, what's amazing is your willingness to chase me around the board with a wet noodle of an argument.

The Times article is damaging, JD.

Adapt.
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