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Old 12-28-2007, 07:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Did Hillary Clinton kill Benazir Bhutto?

-- Reza Aslan, AC360 Contributor

Did Hillary Clinton kill Benazir Bhutto? Not quite, though Barack Obama's right hand man thinks she may have had something to do with it.

"She was a strong supporter of the war in Iraq," David Axelrod said, speaking of Hillary "which we would submit, is one of the reasons why we were diverted from Afghanistan, Pakistan and al-Qaeda, who may have been players in this event today. So that's a judgment she'll have to defend."

It is certainly not unexpected that a presidential campaign would use Bhutto's assassination to score political points. Look for Rudy Giuliani to ratchet up his "Muslims are coming to kill your babies!" stump speech in the coming days.

But Axelrod's comments are not just distasteful. They're nonsensical. Exactly how were we diverted from Pakistan because of the war in Iraq? If it weren't for the Iraq war, and the larger war on terror, we would not give Pakistan a second's thought. The country would still be under US sanctions for its illegal nuclear program.

Perhaps Axelrod means to say that our presence in Iraq has elevated the terrorist threat in Pakistan, thereby forcing the US into an uncomfortably cozy relationship with -- and $10 billion in aid to -- the country’s military dictator, Pervez Musharraf, which he seems to have squandered on military equipment to maintain a police state rather than fight al-Qaeda elements in the country, thereby compelling the US to send in Bhutto under a power sharing agreement with Musharraf to salvage what's left of Pakistan's democracy, thus tainting her as an American stooge and leading to her assassination by the very same al-Qaeda elements that Musharraf has yet to do anything about.

Perhaps.

One thing is certain though. If things continue to spiral out of control in the wake of Bhutto's death, Obama might get his chance to fulfill a campaign promise to invade Pakistan were Pervez Musharraf to lose power in a coup.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/ande...ir-bhutto.html
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If she killed Bhutto, Hillary may not get nominated. I think she did it.
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Old 12-28-2007, 10:54 PM   #3 (permalink)
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If she killed Bhutto, Hillary may not get nominated. I think she did it.
HA HA
" Clinton did it!"
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Old 12-28-2007, 10:59 PM   #4 (permalink)
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All Hillary killed was the American Left, and then she was only an accessory to her husband's crime.
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All Hillary killed was the American Left, and then she was only an accessory to her husband's crime.
Actually, good post. I'm often bewildered as to why so many self described liberals like Hillary (and Bill) so much. They have both very much succumbed to conservatives. Although I believe they are both "liberal" on a personal level, I also believe they both will do whatever it takes to survive politically. If that means "end welfare as we know it", or voting for the Iraq War Resolution, then so be it.
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Actually, good post. I'm often bewildered as to why so many self described liberals like Hillary (and Bill) so much. They have both very much succumbed to conservatives. Although I believe they are both "liberal" on a personal level, I also believe they both will do whatever it takes to survive politically. If that means "end welfare as we know it", or voting for the Iraq War Resolution, then so be it.
I like her, but I am not liberal. Moderate left.
I certainly have absolutely NO use for a Republican Party dominated by neo-cons, and religious extremists. forget that entire Party.

But I don't like the militant left either.

I'm no "national security freak", but i model myself after Biden.
He is not against us staying in Iraq longer IF we use the time to build up local governmant
( The Biden Geld plan's time has passed - but the idea stays the same.
forget the National Government - build up the government from the ground up
local autonomy could lead to national stability.
if we must stay there, at least try this)

And talks of " change" rarely work, without consensus building.
You can't just come into government and radically make improvements from the top down.

You have to work the bureauracracies, and build bipartisian consnsus where possible, and ram things thru when not.
I think Hillary has a better grasp of governing, and would be a more efsective agent of " change"
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I like her...
I don't like her because she is a panderer and she is just not a likeable person (to me). But you're right. She doesn't seem to be all that much different than Biden, fairly moderate. So, given the choice between the two, I'll take Biden (who is lower in the main stream polls on the Dem side than Paul is on the Repub side )
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I like her, but I am not liberal. Moderate left.
I certainly have absolutely NO use for a Republican Party dominated by neo-cons, and religious extremists. forget that entire Party.

But I don't like the militant left either.

I'm no "national security freak", but i model myself after Biden.
He is not against us staying in Iraq longer IF we use the time to build up local governmant
( The Biden Geld plan's time has passed - but the idea stays the same.
forget the National Government - build up the government from the ground up
local autonomy could lead to national stability.
if we must stay there, at least try this)

And talks of " change" rarely work, without consensus building.
You can't just come into government and radically make improvements from the top down.

You have to work the bureauracracies, and build bipartisian consnsus where possible, and ram things thru when not.
I think Hillary has a better grasp of governing, and would be a more efsective agent of " change"

why??
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Hillary's voice and attitude aren't that grating on the nerves.
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Barry Hussein thinks Pakistan would be a wonderland today if only the US had not gone into Iraq to defeat the terrorists. If he were any more naive about foreign policy he would be Ron Paul.
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