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Old 01-19-2008, 03:23 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Old 01-19-2008, 03:28 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Hillary + Bill = In no way better than any Republican with their vigorous and slanderous attacks. They do not deserve any more time in the white house. At least with McCain you see what you get, like his policies or not he is not lying about how long he's been doing it and he is straight forward about who he is. He doesn't now, nor has he ever needed an ex president under his belt to get him to where he is today. Like I said, far better than the Clinton machine.
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Old 01-19-2008, 03:37 PM   #23 (permalink)
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With regards to Iran, it doesnt matter which of those two wins. Both Clinton or McCain will take the United States into a military adventure in Iran. If your against a war with Iran, its Obama/Edwards/Paul or bust.
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Old 01-19-2008, 03:38 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Hillary + Bill = In no way better than any Republican with their vigorous and slanderous attacks. They do not deserve any more time in the white house. At least with McCain you see what you get, like his policies or not he is not lying about how long he's been doing it and he is straight forward about who he is. He doesn't now, nor has he ever needed an ex president under his belt to get him to where he is today. Like I said, far better than the Clinton machine.
you sure about that? i'm not. he's changed positions lately on issues that are pretty important to me, and sticking his nose up the right wing fundie christians' butts was the straw that broke the camel's back. he's entirely too eager to go to war, and has now pretty much sold out all his principles in an effort to finally get that office.

if hillary wins the nomination, please do us all a favor and just don't vote.
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Old 01-19-2008, 03:44 PM   #25 (permalink)
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you sure about that? i'm not. he's changed positions lately on issues that are pretty important to me, and sticking his nose up the right wing fundie christians' butts was the straw that broke the camel's back. he's entirely too eager to go to war, and has now pretty much sold out all his principles in an effort to finally get that office.

if hillary wins the nomination, please do us all a favor and just don't vote.
My opinions are pretty strong here, I do realize. But I will ask you not to presume to tell me how to vote, everyone has a right to vote for who they feel is best. I may not like Hillary but I would certainly not tell you not to vote for her.
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The late, great Molly Ivins said that the Democrats never miss a chance to miss a chance. If Democrats cannot understand that Hillary's negatives have been above 40 since 1992 and were around 50 a few weeks ago -- that she cannot defeat any Republican candidate -- then they deserve to lose again.

And I will not be voting for her.
And the Dems continue to not miss a beat. First eliminate Fl and Mi delegates, and now this fiasco in Tx. Remember the rucus when Bush required a loyalty pledge to hear his campaign speeches? I frankly don't see a difference in this piece (in fact I'm disgusted by the hypocracy that the DNC would actually allow this to happen)

Kucinich loses bid for Texas primary ballot
Candidate refuses to sign loyalty oath, says he'll try new appeal


WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court on Friday allowed Texas to print presidential primary ballots without Democratic candidate Dennis Kucinich's name.

The court refused to step into a dispute between Kucinich and the Texas Democratic Party over a loyalty oath all candidates must sign to make the ballot.

Kucinich and singer-supporter Willie Nelson objected to the party oath that a presidential candidate must "fully support" the party's eventual nominee. Kucinich crossed out the oath when he filed for a spot on the primary ballot.

A federal judge in Austin ruled against Kucinich last week. U.S. District Judge Lee Yeakel ruled the state party has the right to require the oath. Kucinich and Nelson argued it violated Kucinich's First Amendment right to free speech.

Texas said its deadline is Saturday to print absentee ballots so that they can reach overseas voters in time for the March 4 primary.

The Kucinich campaign said Friday it would return to the U.S. 5th Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans next week to argue its case that the candidate should be on the March 4 ballot.

Kucinich loses bid for Texas ballot - Dennis Kucinich News - MSNBC.com
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Hillary + Bill = In no way better than any Republican with their vigorous and slanderous attacks. They do not deserve any more time in the white house. At least with McCain you see what you get, like his policies or not he is not lying about how long he's been doing it and he is straight forward about who he is. He doesn't now, nor has he ever needed an ex president under his belt to get him to where he is today. Like I said, far better than the Clinton machine.
OK now I see where you are coming from.
I think you are turning a blind eye to the Obama coflation of Hillary's statement, about MLK -
where somehow that was dissing MLK, and if you read the thread I started about "Matthews finally apologizes "
( the blog - post#1) you may see both campaigns have been disingenuous.

But that's cool. we all have our principals, and our perseptions, and I respect, if don't agree with your's> :-)
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And the Dems continue to not miss a beat. First eliminate Fl and Mi delegates, and now this fiasco in Tx. Remember the rucus when Bush required a loyalty pledge to hear his campaign speeches? I frankly don't see a difference in this piece (in fact I'm disgusted by the hypocracy that the DNC would actually allow this to happen)

Kucinich loses bid for Texas primary ballot
Candidate refuses to sign loyalty oath, says he'll try new appeal


WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court on Friday allowed Texas to print presidential primary ballots without Democratic candidate Dennis Kucinich's name.

The court refused to step into a dispute between Kucinich and the Texas Democratic Party over a loyalty oath all candidates must sign to make the ballot.

Kucinich and singer-supporter Willie Nelson objected to the party oath that a presidential candidate must "fully support" the party's eventual nominee. Kucinich crossed out the oath when he filed for a spot on the primary ballot.

A federal judge in Austin ruled against Kucinich last week. U.S. District Judge Lee Yeakel ruled the state party has the right to require the oath. Kucinich and Nelson argued it violated Kucinich's First Amendment right to free speech.

Texas said its deadline is Saturday to print absentee ballots so that they can reach overseas voters in time for the March 4 primary.

The Kucinich campaign said Friday it would return to the U.S. 5th Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans next week to argue its case that the candidate should be on the March 4 ballot.

Kucinich loses bid for Texas ballot - Dennis Kucinich News - MSNBC.com
Guest, that makes me furious. Judge Yeakel was appointed by George W. Bush.
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Hillary + Bill = In no way better than any Republican with their vigorous and slanderous attacks. They do not deserve any more time in the white house. At least with McCain you see what you get, like his policies or not he is not lying about how long he's been doing it and he is straight forward about who he is. He doesn't now, nor has he ever needed an ex president under his belt to get him to where he is today. Like I said, far better than the Clinton machine.

I could not vote for either of them in good conscience..
Or bad conscience either.........
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That's cool and I respect that. However, I will absolutely not vote for her under any circumstance. It's my opinion that she's far worse than any other candidate on the board for either side.
At first I was very upset with your remarks about the Clinton's....then I smiled and realised that regardless of how many people there are here that hate their guts (including our Administrator) there are far more that love them. I feel a little sorry for those that don't like them. Not because they loose anything by that opinion....except the Joy of feeling what the Clinton supporters feel.

The Clintons are not evil. Maybe Barrack Obama is....yeah maybe he drinks the blood of small infants and puppies!
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