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Old 01-25-2008, 07:56 AM   #11 (permalink)
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The 2000 race was won in a courtroom and the 2004 election was not stolen.
Make no mistake, it's ALL stolen.


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Your party needs to take some fucking responsibility for its failures.
Not MY party. I've been a registered Republican for more than 30 years.


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I'm buying this "stolen" election bullshit, because it's just a D.I.N.O. scare tactic.
In the land of smoke and mirrors, you must at least consider the possibility that that is exactly what people are MEANT to do. Dismiss the obvious as too obvious.

The Republicans control the voting apparatus as surely as the DNC is controlling THEIR bullshit.

For all your cynicism and contempt, you suddenly think America runs clean elections? Preposterous.


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Old 01-25-2008, 07:59 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Actually Biden was as well, and it was Hillary's backroom dealing that cleared off the best candidates.
Biden DID throw his support to Obama.

Hillary and backroom dealing is not surprising. Hillary Clinton IS a backroom deal.

Obama rather billed himself as being different from that.
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Old 01-25-2008, 08:16 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Agreed. Especially stupid to throw his own support.

Only Chris Dodd was above the fray of Obama's Backroom Dealing.

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Actually Biden was as well, and it was Hillary's backroom dealing that cleared off the best candidates.
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Big Dogs Weblog » Obama’s Change Politics as Usual


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Obama's Change Politics as Usual

The Iowa caucus process is archaic and cumbersome not to mention that it disenfranchises people who are unable to make it to the caucus sites. This might be an attempt to only have those who are serious be part of the process but it disenfranchises those who cannot leave their lives for a few hours to be part of the process. Since absentee ballots are not allowed members of the military, who protect the freedom to vote, are excluded from the process.

The caucus process involves a series of votes and candidates who do not carry at least 15% of the votes are knocked out of the process and their supporters may then go to another candidate. This process continues until the winner is selected. This process also involves some politicking as demonstrated this week when Dennis Kucinich told his supporters to support B. Hussein Obama if he [Kucinich] should fail to obtain the requisite 15%. This was an open request and does not appear to have been requested by Obama.

The other kind of politics are the back room deals that have candidates swapping votes in precincts where they lack support for votes in precincts where a person has overwhelming support. It is alleged that Senator Joe Biden has worked a deal with Obama to throw support his way in areas where Biden lacks the 15% and where it might be close for Obama in return for Obama sending votes Biden's way in areas where Obama has a huge advantage.

The same kind of deal is reported to have taken place between Governor Bill Richardson and Obama. I could have sworn Richardson was pandering to Clinton so he could be selected as her VP.

These kinds of back room deals serve many purposes. In this case it might mean that Hillary Clinton, the national front-runner, would get knocked down quite a few pegs and begin the rapid demise of her campaign. If Obama wins and Edwards and Hillary place much lower or with quite a few less votes then Obama might get a big surge in New Hampshire and nationally. This might also help the others who will most likely not be around by the time super Tuesday comes because a good showing will garner donations of cash to pay off campaign debt. These kind of deals also forge later alliances when a newly elected president, say Obama, needs to fill his cabinet.

This is politics as usual and it is not uncommon in a Iowa's unusual caucus process. The problem is, it is politics as usual and Obama is involved in it. B. Hussein Obama has sold himself as the candidate of change. He claims that he is not a DC insider and has not lived Washington politics like his rivals, chiefly Hillary Clinton. He has told us that we cannot accomplish change by putting the same old people in the positions of leadership. It is his take on the definition of insanity; continually doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

For a man who claims to be a different kind of politician, one who is not there to play politics as usual, it seems he is doing just that. Obama is working the back room deals like a seasoned DC insider and he is playing politics as usual. This is contrary to everything he says he stands for and it shows him to be no different than the rest of the politicians in the field.
I wonder what Obama would say if all the deals were going in favor of Clinton. Would he say that she is playing the same old politics?

B. Hussein Obama is a fresh face in the crowd of has beens and 60s retreads from the Democratic Party and he is a symbol of hope for a lot of members of that party but he is no champion of change from politics as usual.

In reality he is another politician who will say and do what it takes to get elected, principles be damned.

For clarity, I realize these are allegations but they are all denying it. A sure sign that a politician is doing something is when he denies it.
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The New York Times_
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In my opinion, Barack Hussein Obama is a sellout, a fraud or a plant.

PLUS he's a fiscal nincompoop.
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That's how it should be.
There was no stealing of the elections. There was only the D.I.N.O.'s throwing the game like Black Socks players; while a handful of real Democrats fight to win the rest cut their legs out from under them.

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Agreed. Especially stupid to throw his own support.

Only Chris Dodd was above the fray of Obama's Backroom Dealing.





In my opinion, Barack Hussein Obama is a sellout, a fraud or a plant.

PLUS he's a fiscal nincompoop.
It couldn't be that Biden just thought Obama was the best choice out of those who're left. Nah, it had to be some shadowy deal.

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Biden DID throw his support to Obama.

Hillary and backroom dealing is not surprising. Hillary Clinton IS a backroom deal.

Obama rather billed himself as being different from that.
Precisely why Biden would've supported him.
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Old 01-25-2008, 07:10 PM   #15 (permalink)
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It couldn't be that Biden just thought Obama was the best choice out of those who're left.
It could also be, then, that Biden hasn't sufficient confidence in the intelligence and integrity of his supporters that they might decide for themselves from those who remain standing? It's not like there were 500 other options by which voters might be confused.

I can't imagine YOU letting someone tell you where to shift YOUR vote, if your true choice wasn't "viable."


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Precisely why Biden would've supported him.
In which case, I would expect Biden to vote for him. I would not expect a statesman to tell OTHER people how to vote, especially not in the 11th hour of a competition.

I'm telling you, from MY perspective in Des Moines, it was like a damn fire sale.

And right there in Iowa, where NOT ONE working person that I met...excluding anhailla, who is management...NOT one of them had ever caucused or knew how it worked.

And THAT blatantly non-representative context, replete with what television commentator/journalist types freely called horse trading...set the tone for this whole expensive, messy, distracting, divisive Primary Parade.
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Old 01-25-2008, 07:22 PM   #16 (permalink)
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There was no stealing of the elections. There was only the D.I.N.O.'s throwing the game like Black Socks players; while a handful of real Democrats fight to win the rest cut their legs out from under them.

It couldn't be that Biden just thought Obama was the best choice out of those who're left. Nah, it had to be some shadowy deal.

Precisely why Biden would've supported him.
Whatever....(on whatever you guys were hacking up) but back to the topic:

We're being screwed again!..Goddammit man! Hit CNN, MSNBC, CBS...what-the-fuck-ever and the first thing you hear is: "Obama getting blowjob from Chillary"...ok, maybe I am melting down here, it's been a long time coming anyway...but all this shit lines up as a loss if people don't wake the fuck up.

Recall when Kerry endorsed Obama? (Kerry endorses Obama for president - Barack Obama News - MSNBC.com Well, Kerry is a Skull and Boner (Skull And Bones, Secret Yale Society Includes America's Power Elite - CBS News) ya know, just like * was, THEY can be reached. You think * fucked up this country/planet alone?

Let's point out the obvious here:

Kerry had PICKED John Edwards as a running mate in '04...uh, why isn't he supporting Edwards? Bad blood in the last few years? None I have heard of....what's the explaination? Kerry caved to someone, some thing...

Fucking Rove must be whistling Dixie out his arse right now, you KNOW his fingerprints are all over the gun......the repulsivans only hope to win is that OrH get the nod...yup...and since Americans are generally stupid, don't vote, or really care , (you celebrity humping materialistic communist bastards!)we may once again face...uh, the same shit we've had under *.

Oh, check this out just for fun, ran across the scorecard for the "fiscal responsible" "conservative" parties...uh, party since taking office in '01.

U.S. National Debt Clock

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People are fucking idiots. Don't they know it's all one species?
"They" who? Blind people of color? Because whites of any persuasion sure as hell know they are "White" (read : "privileged"), even the sightless ones.
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The races are merely a product of evolving in slightly different environments.
Philosophical Bullshit! Not one white person of any rank or circumstance doesn't know they are privileged and as such, don't lord it over those who are not (white).
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If anything, you could make the argument blacks are the most usefully evolved. If anthropologists are correct, human life started in Africa.
“If”? Humankind thus-civilization began in Africa, of that there is no doubt.
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This means, while other people were wandering around, settling in different environments, the 'soon-to-be-blacks' were getting a head-start on evolution.
Yah: we built whole worlds while whites were still living in caves and painting themselves blue.

But the heathens broke out of Europe. It was after Alexander traveled to Africa-to "Alenxandria" Egypt to be exact.
It was there he and his teacher Aristotle sat at the feet of African Philosophers and stole the school from Africans did whites begin their "civilization"**.
**The Aegean societies that became “Greece” were, in 700 B.C.E., without a written language.
Nor were their regional dialects completely understandable one to the other.
How then, if no written languages or common tongue, could these “Ionian” league of Greek states have developed Philosophy in fewer than 400 years?
By stealing the school and other traits of advanced civilizations from Africans.
***A famous Greek, Aesop, (from Eseop: itself a name derived from the Greek ”Ethiop” [for Ethiopian or: “Man from the land of burnt faces”) is but one of many famous Africans who came to prominence in Greek society. Even there, his “tales” are relegated to witty “wisdom texts”, belying his and various other Africans vast contributions to Greek-thus Roman society.

What we and they too often forget:
Before we were slaves-we were Kings.
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People are fucking idiots. Don't they know it's all one species? The races are merely a product of evolving in slightly different environments.

If anything, you could make the argument blacks are the most usefully evolved. If anthropologists are correct, human life started in Africa. This means, while other people were wandering around, settling in different environments, the 'soon-to-be-blacks' were getting a head-start on evolution.
To step off subject for just a moment... Your logic here is flawed. Evolution doesn't stop just because a group of animals are looking for somewhere else to live, or move faster if a group stays in one place.

If anything, animals that move to a new environment may be forced to evolve in ways that the ones that stay in the same environment do not. My point isn't that any group of humans is more or less evolved than any other, just that evolution isn't something you put on hold during migration.
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"They" who? Blind people of color? Because whites of any persuasion sure as hell know they are "White" (read : "privileged"), even the sightless ones. Philosophical Bullshit! Not one white person of any rank or circumstance doesn't know they are privileged and as such, don't lord it over those who are not (white). “If”? Humankind thus-civilization began in Africa, of that there is no doubt. Yah: we built whole worlds while whites were still living in caves and painting themselves blue.

But the heathens broke out of Europe. It was after Alexander traveled to Africa-to "Alenxandria" Egypt to be exact.
It was there he and his teacher Aristotle sat at the feet of African Philosophers and stole the school from Africans did whites begin their "civilization"**.
**The Aegean societies that became “Greece” were, in 700 B.C.E., without a written language.
Nor were their regional dialects completely understandable one to the other.
How then, if no written languages or common tongue, could these “Ionian” league of Greek states have developed Philosophy in fewer than 400 years?
By stealing the school and other traits of advanced civilizations from Africans.
***A famous Greek, Aesop, (from Eseop: itself a name derived from the Greek ”Ethiop” [for Ethiopian or: “Man from the land of burnt faces”) is but one of many famous Africans who came to prominence in Greek society. Even there, his “tales” are relegated to witty “wisdom texts”, belying his and various other Africans vast contributions to Greek-thus Roman society.

What we and they too often forget:
Before we were slaves-we were Kings.
AND... Jonesy was talking about evolution. You are talking about social science and history. The evolution that Jonesy is talking about took place long long before any of the points you site ever took place.



To get back ON topic, to those that say Obama/Hillary Can't win, time to come to the 21st Century. In the 19th Century they said that man could not fly. Provided this country can survive another year of Georgie at the helm, (and the way he's going that's no guarantee), there will be a black and woman in charge some day, and this election has all the right ingredients for that to happen now.

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To get back ON topic, to those that say Obama/Hillary Can't win, time to come to the 21st Century. In the 19th Century they said that man could not fly. Provided this country can survive another year of Georgie at the helm, (and the way he's going that's no guarantee), there will be a black and woman in charge some day, and this election has all the right ingredients for that to happen now.

Not it's not, when did racism end enough to have created true equal rights and tolorances for and of "different" people? Did you not read about the Nazi's at the Jena 9 site on MLK day?....the point the writer was pushing was that there were no counter-protesters and I agree with him....(that racist are just closeted now but they are still here.

There have been political races where a black person was running for office, had a huge lead only to lose on voting day...it was believed that the white people who supported the black man, in the end, in the booth, pulled the lever for the white guy...as long as they have a curtain around them they come clean with their prejudices.

Oh, and comaparing advances in objects is not a comparison to human behavour issues. That doesn't fly man....
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