CosmicRocker

Obama: "Even when you discuss war, the frame of reference is always Viet Nam.
That's not my frame of reference. My frame of reference is 'what works.'
Even when I first opposed the war in Iraq, my first line was 'I don't oppose all wars,
I just oppose dumb wars' specifically to make clear that this is not just some anti-military '70's love in approach."

Is he saying Viet Nam wasn't a dumb war? Is he saying peace activists resisted the Viet Nam War as some knee-jerk anti-military reflex?
Is he saying the Nam-era Anti-War Movement doesn't meet the "What Works" test?
His gratuitous swipe at the hippies may reflect an irrational bias against them--
the kind of ugly bias Nixon exploited in his 'Silent Majority' speech ('dirty hippie freaks').
Obama used Fuzzy headed liberals.

You might say he's admitting he's not a serious anti-war activist, that he's a 'latte activist'--'all talk' on Iraq .
His votes for funding indicate that..
I say that because a serious anti-Iraq War activist would look to the successful Nam Anti-War Movement precisely to learn what works.

Eventually, with constant grass roots activism, my generation DID stop the war.
It was a long slog, but we persevered. You might even say we brought down a war mongering President.
Obama might learn it takes activist in the streets dedication.
Not just soaring rhetoric

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julia

Agreed, Cosmic.

The Hilary and Obama supporters keep saying "look at their legistlation" while they will not clairify anything for us on their voting records.

For example, Kyl-Liebermann: IDing The Iranian Republican guard a terrorist org.

Hilary: YES

Obama: PRESENT

Some fallout:

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