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Old 01-30-2008, 07:51 AM   #11 (permalink)
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She may not have gotten any delegates out of it but she did get a "win" in the state and that gives her momentum moving forward no matter how you look at it.
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She announced in advance of Florida's voting that she'd visit the state, effectively breaking her pledge. Now I agree that Florida shouldn't have lost their delegates for simply trying to break an unfair monopoly held by fuckin' Iowa and New Hampshire, but she did promise not to go and went anyway.

Time for Hillary to spawn a new drone to attack with.
That is not campaigning! LOL! Now I know you hate Hilary Clinton but this does not help Obama at all!
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She may not have gotten any delegates out of it but she did get a "win" in the state and that gives her momentum moving forward no matter how you look at it.
What do you think the Edwards announcement does?
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What do you think the Edwards announcement does?
I just replied to that in the other thread.
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That is not campaigning! LOL! Now I know you hate Hilary Clinton but this does not help Obama at all!
You're sounding dangerously similar to Jr. supporters in 2000. Now if Hillary would stand for something other than abetting the right right wing I wouldn't be so ardently opposed to her. But everything she does has proven her to be nothing more than a calculating opportunist who'll do and say anything to get elected. You can piss'n'moan about it all you want, but there's a huge swath of this country who simply won't accept her as a candidate. I first expected this implosion to happen in the general election, but that has accelerated to the point where it's sinking her in the primary.

Ohh, she could still win, but she'll have to pull some scheme that defies the popular vote to do it.
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I find it very interesting that Obama actually won more support than Clinton from voters who made up their minds in the last three days, in the last week, and in the last month, than Clinton did.

Average these together and Obama won 44% to 36%.

Clinton won huge support from absentee voting 50% for Clinton to Obama's 31%.

Absentee ballots were sent in back in December and I wonder if more than a few would rather have their ballot back to make a change one way or the other.

Seems to me that Obama was definitely surging in Florida.
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I find it very interesting that Obama actually won more support than Clinton from voters who made up their minds in the last three days, in the last week, and in the last month, than Clinton did.

Average these together and Obama won 44% to 36%.

Clinton won huge support from absentee voting 50% for Clinton to Obama's 31%.

Absentee ballots were sent in back in December and I wonder if more than a few would rather have their ballot back to make a change one way or the other.

Seems to me that Obama was definitely surging in Florida.
So sorry I cannot remember which talking head it was, but last night on MSNBC a reporter covering Florida returns said that he had never talked to so many people who regretted their absentee vote -- meaning they would have voted for a different candidate yesterday.
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I find it very interesting that Obama actually won more support than Clinton from voters who made up their minds in the last three days, in the last week, and in the last month, than Clinton did.

Average these together and Obama won 44% to 36%.

Clinton won huge support from absentee voting 50% for Clinton to Obama's 31%.

Absentee ballots were sent in back in December and I wonder if more than a few would rather have their ballot back to make a change one way or the other.

Seems to me that Obama was definitely surging in Florida.
Yeah there is no question that allowing for all that time to vote has made a difference for Hillary, in these campaigns things change daily for each candidate so even two days means old news when the election is moving at this speed. She probably had this locked in a long time ago before anything had a chance to shift.
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AS for Obama: from RTE news:

Barack Obama said Mrs Clinton's Florida vote totals were meaningless since no candidate had been allowed to stump in the southeastern state.

What does that say to the Florida voters who went to the polls?
SCREW OBAMA
I'LL NEVER VOTE FOR YOU NOW.
HE IS SAYING MY VOTE IS MEANINGLESS.
HE IS SUPPORTING MY DISENFRANCHISEMENT

HE DIDN"T EVEN HAVE THE DECENCY TO SAY THE VOTERS WERE HURT BY THIS > FUCK HIM AND THE HORSE HE RODE IN ON.
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Old 01-30-2008, 11:22 AM   #20 (permalink)
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From "Hillary's Florida Flip", The Nation, 01/28/08

Hillary Clinton has decided to rewrite the rules of the race for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination.

Like other candidates, she pledged not to campaign in Florida after the state jumped ahead on the schedule of caucuses and primaries set by the Democratic National Committee. She had to make that pledge if she hoped to compete in the first-in-the-nation Iowa caucuses and the first-in-the-nation New Hampshire primary, as Iowa and New Hampshire zealously guard their starting status on the political calendar.

But Iowa and New Hampshire are history and, after a landslide loss in South Carolina on Saturday, Clinton needs a win.

So she has begun appearing in Florida in anticipation of Tuesday's Democratic primary there.

Clinton's move insults not just the voters in Iowa and New Hampshire who trusted her pledge but also the voters of all the states that respected the DNC's outline for the nominating process. Effectively, she is saying to Democrats in states that will participate in February 5th's "Super Tuesday" primaries and caucuses and in the two dozen states that have scheduled later votes: You may follow the rules if you please, but I write the rules as I please.

That's the raw political reality of Clinton's move, even if she is spinning it as an embrace of participatory democracy.


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Hillary's Florida Flip
BIG FUCKING DEAL. SHE BROKE THE RULES (WHICH SHE ' DIDN'T)-SOUNDS LIKE HIGH SCHOOL. RUN AND TELL THE DNC

AT LEAST THOSE STATES VOTERS WEREN'T DISENFRANCHISED
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