jdanton

This is another interesting situtation.

I saw Hillary thank Florida for a "vote of confidence" from this.

I saw Rolant Martin (I think that's his name) get on her case for saying she won Florida because there are no delegates, so the primary there didn't count.

Isn't that a demeaning of the florida voters?

All of us here know, I suspect, that the DNC and the states of Michigan and Florida had a falling out over primary dates, so these states have no delegates from the primaries.

I AM NOT ASKING HERE IS THERE SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT BE DELEGATES.

No body campaigned in Florida, but Florida people did go to the polls and cast votes.

To say their votes mean NOTHING seems like a slap in their face.

I guess this is another "Why comment on it at all" past what the vote totals were and that no delegates are awarded, with an explanation of why.


Given these circumstances, what would be the appropriate thing for the candidate who got the most votes in that state to say?

AS for Obama: from RTE news:

Barack Obama said Mrs Clinton's Florida vote totals were meaningless since no candidate had been allowed to stump in the southeastern state.

What does that say to the Florida voters who went to the polls?

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MarkMiller

Uhm.......thank's for nothing?

HarperLee

How long are you going to chew on this?

Edwards and Obama honored the oath that they signed regarding campaigning in Florida. Hillary signed the same oath, but she did
not honor it.

Her pseudo-acceptance speech was a big photo op to take attention away from her dismal showing in South Carolina. She is playing her supporters like a violin.

Why can't you comprehend that back in late August, when Hillary signed the oath, she assumed she was the nominee-apparent?
Now it is "poor Hillary, her Michigan and Florida delegates won't count".

This woman would sacrifice Chelsea if it meant she would win the presidency.

HarperLee

From "Hillary's Florida Flip", The Nation, 01/28/08

Hillary Clinton has decided to rewrite the rules of the race for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination.

Like other candidates, she pledged not to campaign in Florida after the state jumped ahead on the schedule of caucuses and primaries set by the Democratic National Committee. She had to make that pledge if she hoped to compete in the first-in-the-nation Iowa caucuses and the first-in-the-nation New Hampshire primary, as Iowa and New Hampshire zealously guard their starting status on the political calendar.

But Iowa and New Hampshire are history and, after a landslide loss in South Carolina on Saturday, Clinton needs a win.

So she has begun appearing in Florida in anticipation of Tuesday's Democratic primary there.

Clinton's move insults not just the voters in Iowa and New Hampshire who trusted her pledge but also the voters of all the states that respected the DNC's outline for the nominating process. Effectively, she is saying to Democrats in states that will participate in February 5th's "Super Tuesday" primaries and caucuses and in the two dozen states that have scheduled later votes: You may follow the rules if you please, but I write the rules as I please.

That's the raw political reality of Clinton's move, even if she is spinning it as an embrace of participatory democracy.

Link to entire Nation article:

Hillary's Florida Flip

jdanton

Not long. Nor am I arguing that delegates should be awarded.

I'm thinking more along the lines that everyone should appreciate everyone who takes the time and trouble to vote in any election.

A lot of Floridians went to the polls yesterday and cast a vote. Taking a "why'd they bother" position seems somewhat insulting to me.

Wouldn't it be better to thank them all for voting? Especially knowing that they weren't sending any delegates?

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MarkMiller

So when did Clinton campaign in Florida. Interesting article....especial with the Obama for President ad along side it. Not at all slanted in any direction.....right. So, when did Hilary Clinton Campaign in Florida?

jdanton

She didn't.

None of them did.

We've seen a lot of distorted "demeaning" of Martin Luther King lately, which got lots of people riled up.

The individual voters in Florida simply showed up to vote on the day the primary was scheduled. They weren't engaged in the when to have it battle.

I've questioned for some time how Obama plans to unite us.

I don't think calling the voters in Florida "meaningless" helps do that.

There is obviously less incentive to vote when you know your state can't seat any delegates, so why not offer some kind of praise for them taking the trouble, as opposed to telling them, basically, they ought not have bothered?

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Heretic

Yep. Same old Hillary, always trying to have it both ways.

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MarkMiller

Somebody post the date and time that Hilary Clinton Campaigned in Florida. Otherwise we ALL know what is going on here.

Heretic

She announced in advance of Florida's voting that she'd visit the state, effectively breaking her pledge. Now I agree that Florida shouldn't have lost their delegates for simply trying to break an unfair monopoly held by fuckin' Iowa and New Hampshire, but she did promise not to go and went anyway.

Time for Hillary to spawn a new drone to attack with.

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