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Old 02-02-2008, 01:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Minimum Wage: Lowest in 50 Yrs-CEO Pay vs. Lowest-Paid Workers



The buying power of the federal minimum wage is currently at its lowest level in 51 years. Eighty-three percent of Americans favor an increase in the minimum wage (nearly half "strongly support" it). Yet, the House conservative leadership hasn't allowed a full floor vote on the minimum wage since the last increase went into effect, in 1997.

Yesterday, the House Appropriations Committee voted 34 to 28 against attaching a minimum wage amendment to a key spending bill, thus depriving it of a vote on the House floor. But last week, that same committee had agreed to attach the minimum wage amendment to a separate spending measure that funds the departments of Labor and Health and Human Services. Upon passage of last week's amendment, the House leadership announced it would delay bringing the Labor-Health bill to the floor for a vote, and in the meantime, will undoubtedly undertake efforts to strip the minimum wage provision from the bill. The Senate vote today on an amendment offered by Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) to raise the federal minimum wage, in three gradual installments over two years, from $5.15 to $7.25 an hour.

In the nine years since the federal minimum wage was raised, Congress has voted itself nine pay hikes totaling nearly $35,000 a year, while a full-time minimum wage worker's annual pay has not budged from $10,712. Just a few days ago, House lawmakers cleared the way for a $3,300 pay raise that will increase their salaries to $168,500. "It's the height of hypocrisy," said Kennedy.

Conservatives playing politics

The Senate conservative leadership is rallying opposition to Sen. Kennedy's minimum wage amendment by offering a "poison pill" measure that is meant to deter any debate on the issue. The alternative amendment, sponsored by Sen. Mike Enzi (R-WY), would raise the minimum wage to $6.25, but would couple that raise with unpalatable "reductions in overtime pay and tax cuts for businesses." This isn't the first act of political gamesmanship by the Senate conservatives. Earlier, the Senate leadership, led by Sen. Bill Frist (R-TN), floated the idea of trying to "sink the minimum-wage increase by linking it to an unrelated measure that would make it a crime to transport a minor across state lines to get an abortion."

The House conservative leadership is playing its own brand of politics with the minimum wage amendment. They are using "a cruder legislative technique" -- simply refusing to allow the measure to come to the House floor for a vote. Just a week after voting to pass a minimum wage amendment out of the House Appropriations Committee, five committee members -- Reps. Bill Young (R-FL), Jim Walsh (R-NY), Don Sherwood (R-PA), Mike Simpson (R-ID), and Ray LaHood (R-IL) -- switched their votes yesterday and prevented the same amendment from being passed out of the committee on a separate bill. Two other congressmen -- Reps. Jo Ann Emerson (R-MO) and John Sweeney (R-NY) -- voted for the minimum wage amendment last week but were absent yesterday.

Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, a lead sponsor of the language, said he was confident a wage increase could pass on its own if allowed a floor vote, but Majority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) said he is unlikely to allow it. "There are limits to my willingness to just throw anything out on the floor," he said.

The jobs myth

In the face of a growing movement behind increasing the minimum wage, the Right is in desperation mode and resorting to peddling regurgitated false claims that a raise hurts small businesses and job growth, increases poverty, and only benefits teenagers. In fact, the evidence as demonstrated below points in the other direction. Efforts to raise the minimum wage since 1997 have failed because business groups have opposed the measure and lobbied against it. "A group of more than 20 business organizations are fighting an increase this year, as part of the 'Coalition for Job Opportunities.'" Their members claim that they would have to cut jobs if the federal minimum wage were raised.

In truth, the evidence indicates that small businesses benefit from a higher wage. A report by the Center for American Progress and Policy Matters Ohio found that the "11 states with a minimum wage above the federal minimum of $5.15 per hour had higher rates of small business growth between 1997 and 2003." A recent report from the Wisconsin Department of Workforce Development said last year's increase in that state's hourly rate produced $175 million in additional payroll and a $3 million boost in tax revenue, without creating job loss.

Moreover, the evidence indicates higher wagers will not result in fewer jobs. A 1998 Economic Policy Institute report found that unemployment and poverty rates fell after the 1997 increase in the federal minimum wage, and economists David Card and Alan Krueger noted that increases in the minimum wage in various states in the late 1980s and early 1990s did not result in increased unemployment.

The poverty myth

Another myth now being peddled by the right is a study by David Neumark of the University of California, Irvine, that estimates poverty rates increase between 3 percent and 4 percent for every 10 percent increase in the minimum wage by depressing employment of low-skill workers. But Neumark's claim belies historical evidence. Since President Bush took office, the number of Americans living in poverty has increased by 5.4 million. As Jared Bernstein of the Economic Policy Institute has argued,

The evidence unequivocally supports the view that increases in the minimum wage, by increasing the earnings of low-income workers without diminishing their employment opportunities, have historically helped to lower poverty rates.

The teenager myth

Conservatives have argued against the minimum wage by claiming that it only benefits teenagers. In 2005, about a quarter (26 percent) of minimum wage earners were 16 to 19 years old; nearly half (46 percent) were age 25 or older. A minimum wage increase would help people besides teenagers working their first job. Thirty-five percent of minimum wage workers are their family's sole earner, and 65.5 percent of these workers are women. About three-fourths (76 percent) of minimum wage earners work full-time. Sen. Kennedy writes, "A minimum wage worker, who works full-time, 52 weeks a year, makes $5.15 an hour -- $10,700 a year. That's not even enough to keep a single parent with one child above the poverty line!"

State initiatives

House Speaker Dennis Hastert "said last week that he wanted to hold off on debating minimum wage legislation until possibly after the November elections." While Congress dithers and delays, voters in states such as Arizona, California, Colorado, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, Oklahoma, and Ohio stand ready this November to raise their minimum wages through ballot initiatives. Twenty-one states and the District of Columbia have already enacted minimum wages above the $5.15 federal level. Voters will have the opportunity to send the message to Washington lawmakers that they are out of sync with state legislatures and public opinion.
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CEO Pay vs. Lowest-Paid Workers

CEO Pay vs. Lowest-Paid Workers

While Congress continues its debate over whether the nation’s employers can afford raises for the nation’s lowest-paid workers, a new Economic Policy Institute analysis provides some important context for answering that question.

In today’s Snapshot EPI’s president Lawrence Mishel compares what companies paid their CEOs in 2005 to what their lowest paid, minimum-wage workers are paid. With CEO pay up sharply and the minimum wage falling farther and farther behind inflation, the average CEO’s compensation outstripped minimum wage pay by a ratio of 821 to 1 last year. At the current minimum wage of $5.15 per hour it took a full 52-week year of work to earn what the average CEO earned before lunch on the first day of the year.
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Hillary on Legislation to Raise the Minimum Wage to $9.50 Per Hour

With stagnant wages and skyrocketing costs for healthcare, energy and college, working families in America need a break. That is why yesterday I introduced legislation to raise the minimum wage to $9.50 by 2011, and link the minimum wage to Congressional pay raises after that. The Standing with Minimum Wage Earners Act of 2007 is the first bill ever to call for a $9.50 minimum wage.

IMO that is a fucking joke... A sad one, but a joke........ (Inflation Hits 17-Year High)
W/ inflation going @ this rate that could be far less in actual dollars then it is now..........

& where is Obama's #'s on this??? I have tried to find some exact #'s for him but couldn't find any....... He says he wants to tie it to inflatin which it should have been long ago but raise it to what to get to that "living wage" he is always taking up..........

SHOW ME THE #"S................

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So what is your point? a 5.15/hr man can run a multi million dollar company- I don't think so. An hourly person comes and goes every day and leaves the job at work, a manager or let's say salaried person carries his job 24/7, weekends, holidays, at times when family things get put off. Average operators are just average.
Really......................??? PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

again it is merely your opinion. Nothing more......

You really need to back your shit up........
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You are truly showing your ignorance if you think an average operator should make as much as a leader or executive of a company that takes the fall when business falls below budget. It is becoming more and more obvious with all of you post that you sit at home and draw disability or unemployment and live off the backs of people willing to work. There is no prove it, there is only experience, and you can't get that jerking off in front of your computer hippie man.
Wow. You do have a bit of imagination........ I guess that will kinda make up for a lack of a sense of humor. @ least IMO......

The point is not me...... You made a statement.. Not conveyed as an opinion but as fact... Real simple prove it. You can not. As is often the case...... You make statements based on you opinion & we are to take that as fact.......

Not happening here........ & as far as you strawman arguments you can take them back to aol w/ you.......... Again not happening here..

You take the bait & yet you don't bite.......... Go head run w/ it.. SHow what an idiot I am prove me wrong here........... Should be simple enough..... Hell I even agree w/ you.... Hows that???

Now go head & prove us right...........

I challenged your NBA take if you recall........ Start there if you like......

You talked up your knowledge of the market. Again I challenged it & you failed to comeback.. Not a surprise.......

Now you want to call me names & make shit up...... That is fine to.......

I will give you a little taste of my opinion. OF you.......

You are a fake & a liar...... I prob am sitting a bit prettier than you & my portfolio is prob a bit fatter........... I would guess anyway.... I have found that most ppl that talk like yourself are living in a fantasy world.....

But hey I am leading w/ my chin here..........

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Really......................??? PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

again it is merely your opinion. Nothing more......

You really need to back your shit up........
(he obviously doesnt know any CEOs)
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If you want to see an example of what happens when you put laborers in management positions and management in laborer positions just look at the Soviets.

But then again it's a stupid argument that nobody is making. or am I wrong..
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But hey I am leading w/ my chin here..........

no just talking out of your ass "paster" . Copy and paste off of different sites doesn't prove anything as those articles are someone else's opinion.

That chart is via the dept of labor.... Just their opinion I guess...




You lack comprehension skills I see as the NBA comment was to a previous post describing how I might feel and I only used that as a comparison to what he typed.

Well I figured you must know something about the NBA as you used it ..... You certainly didn't know much about the topic you used it in reference to......
Damn you are almost as bad as RK77. I thought you were Mat from another board but you don't post in rap all the time.
What board is that???

You have a well defined & narrow perspective that things must fit into... The challenge comes when you must fit into that narrow perspective things that are not easily labeled, defined & can be pigeon holed......

I prob share some of your views but the more I learn the less I find things being as they are said to be... As I was taught they are. As they have always been...... I was thinking you could defend your opinions but that does not seem to be the case.......

You would rather attempt to insult or belittle.. ~shrug~ You aint very good @ that either...........
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(he obviously doesnt know any CEOs)
I know @ least one personally........... & a couple less.....


I guess you missed the part were I said I agreed w/ him....

& for him to prove it........... You are more than welcome to do so if you like....................
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If you want to see an example of what happens when you put laborers in management positions and management in laborer positions just look at the Soviets.

But then again it's a stupid argument that nobody is making. or am I wrong..
Not sure anyone is even remotely suggesting that....... SOme ppl just wanna take those minimum wage "threats" to extremes....lol
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