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Old 02-06-2008, 11:49 AM   #21 (permalink)
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a very good post Winthrop.
Yes it is proper and right for each generation to look around, see the failures of the previous one's and believe they can straighten out the perceived (or empiracle) wrongs that exist.

without this trait we would never evolve socially.

Lord knows i was critical of my father's generation.
Later one I found out that some things were wrong headed thinking'
Some were just the nature of humanity that I learned with age.

Age will confer some degree of wisdom - just by hanging around long enough to see the world as it truely is,
and not in the reformist eyes we wear when we are young, and anxious to step up to the plate.

Ya. we were pretty big on social injustice, and were the first really big anti-war generation.
But the dope was never unleashed before on a whole generation. and we became the guinea pigs, finding some like pot OK.
Some like heroin as being even worse than we were warned of.

All and all; the freaks ( you gotta be my age to use that term, as we lovingly called ourselves) did OK.
I'm kinna proud of Talking 'bout my Generation.
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Old 02-06-2008, 11:55 AM   #22 (permalink)
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All and all; the freaks ( you gotta be my age to use that term, as we lovingly called ourselves) did OK.
I'm kinna proud of Talking 'bout my Generation.
My question, does your Freak Flag still proudly wave? I have enough, but it tends to curl and twist in what, for me at least, is an undesirable way. But whatever the length of the flame, the fire still burns!
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Old 02-06-2008, 11:59 AM   #23 (permalink)
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LOL, I guess I am sort of an aging hippie.

Anyhow, you're entitled to your opinion but I disagree with you about Hillary and Iraq. She fucked up by voting for the war but unlike McCain, I think she'll do her best to get us out of there if she's elected. Wes Clark will most likey have a place in her admin and I'm sure he's not in favor of keeping our troops there. Lord only knows who McCain will have in his admin. Not only will McCain keep our toops in Iraq but he's also got his eye on Iran.

I usually try to stay out of these discusions and I know if this is what you really believe then I'm certainly not going to change your mind or anyone elses.
The petulant and bitter will permit the election of John McCain, believing there is "no difference". We were told by the supposedly "liberal media" there was no difference between Bush and Gore, either. And now, here we are.
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Old 02-06-2008, 11:59 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I second that....I won't vote for her...
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Old 02-06-2008, 11:59 AM   #25 (permalink)
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This should be interesting. There are Republicans that will refuse to vote for McCain (too liberal) and dems who will refuse to vote for Hillary (too conservative, too unlikeable, too much of a flip-flop, too, too, too).
McCain attracts independents (much) more than Hillary. Seems the nod goes to McCain in that matchup.
Obama attracts indies and some Repubs. Seems the nod goes to Obama in that matchup.
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Old 02-06-2008, 12:01 PM   #26 (permalink)
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My question, does your Freak Flag still proudly wave? I have enough, but it tends to curl and twist in what, for me at least, is an undesirable way. But whatever the length of the flame, the fire still burns!
The Freak flag is tattered,a bit stinky from the tear gas,
but it does wave.
Sadly, the hair is still there - but at conformist length.

The days of long haired humaniods roaming the earth all all but extinct - unless you are a star.

But here is a little ditty I remember that kinna sums up how difficult and weird the world is.

Ten Years After I'd Love to Change the World

Everywhere is freaks and hairies
Dykes and fairies, tell me where is sanity
Tax the rich, feed the poor
Till there are no rich no more

I'd love to change the world
But I don't know what to do
So I'll leave it up to you


Population keeps on breeding
Nation bleeding, still more feeding economy
Life is funny, skies are sunny
Bees make honey, who needs money, Monopoly


I'd love to change the world
But I don't know what to do
So I'll leave it up to you


World pollution, there's no solution
Institution, electrocution
Just black and white, rich or poor
Them and us, stop the war

I'd love to change the world
But I don't know what to do
So I'll leave it up to you
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This should be interesting. There are Republicans that will refuse to vote for McCain (too liberal) and dems who will refuse to vote for Hillary (too conservative, too unlikeable, too much of a flip-flop, too, too, too).
McCain attracts independents (much) more than Hillary. Seems the nod goes to McCain in that matchup.
Obama attracts indies and some Repubs. Seems the nod goes to Obama in that matchup.
That's exactly how I see it. If teh D.I.N.O.'s nominate Hillary (R) Clinton then lose the general and maybe seats in congress as well.
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HAHA blame in on us ageing hippies! How rich.
I'm not blaming anything on you aging hippies. I'm merely pointing it out to you guys that your constant accusations of Obama supporters being young, naive, and playing the race card have completely soured me on your candidate. Maybe not you personally, but so many Hillary supporters have.

I will not vote for Hillary. I will either write in Obama, or vote McCain. And, don't fool yourself. Hillary will not get us out of Iraq. Wait till she gets the nomination. Watch her revert back to chickenhawk status once she knows she no longer has to pander to liberals. Just fucking watch.

And, the reason I would vote McCain would be out of political strategy. That fucker is a one and done president if there ever was one, and Obama will certainly be in there by '12.

Hillary wins, she'll weasel her way to re-election, then pass the torch right back to another Bush. That's what happens when we "get real" about who "can win, and be effective in Washington" . Shell be effective alright, to the Bush dynasty in '16. I've read they're already preparing that Latino Bush guy (Jeb's son?).
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This should be interesting. There are Republicans that will refuse to vote for McCain (too liberal) and dems who will refuse to vote for Hillary (too conservative, too unlikeable, too much of a flip-flop, too, too, too).
McCain attracts independents (much) more than Hillary. Seems the nod goes to McCain in that matchup.
Obama attracts indies and some Repubs. Seems the nod goes to Obama in that matchup.
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I'm not blaming anything on you aging hippies. I'm merely pointing it out to you guys that your constant accusations of Obama supporters being young, naive, and playing the race card have completely soured me on your candidate. Maybe not you personally, but so many Hillary supporters have.

I will not vote for Hillary. I will either write in Obama, or vote McCain. And, don't fool yourself. Hillary will not get us out of Iraq. Wait till she gets the nomination. Watch her revert back to chickenhawk status once she knows she no longer has to pander to liberals. Just fucking watch.

And, the reason I would vote McCain would be out of political strategy. That fucker is a one and done president if there ever was one, and Obama will certainly be in there by '12.

Hillary wins, she'll weasel her way to re-election, then pass the torch right back to another Bush. That's what happens when we "get real" about who "can win, and be effective in Washington" . Shell be effective alright, to the Bush dynasty in '16. I've read they're already preparing that Latino Bush guy (Jeb's son?).
Something Joseph Biden said that sticks with me, "You show me your financial records and I'll show you your priorities."

In campaign terms that means reading the list of donors to a particular candidate, because that's who'll be reaping the rewards and livin' like fat rats if their pick gets the office.
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Old 02-06-2008, 11:47 PM   #30 (permalink)
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This election is about a man with a vision vs a woman with a plan to achieve that vision.
That's the exact bullshit I'm talking about! That nonsensical fucking hyperbole is the exact reason I'm not voting for her. Keep it up. Keep galvanizing Obama supporters by insinuating their candidate is nothing more than a pipe dreamer.

That she "has a plan" crap is right from the Karl Rove playbook. Accusing the opponent of being incompetent, unrealistic, and using that very word, "plan", ad nauseum. Hope you're proud of yourself.

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