I'm a Democrat, and I will not vote for Hillary if she's the nominee. - Page 5

HarperLee · 02-07-2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by OldManOnFire

Voting is a personal privilege and if you wish to throw your votes to Republicans, then knock yourself out. ...

Voters who cannot with good conscience vote for Hillary Clinton are
not throwing their votes to the Republicans.

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It is unfair to characterize those who do not support Hillary Clinton's
campaign as a few malcontents on this message board.

BillCosby · 02-07-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Brainpolice

A few reasons why the far left should dislike Hillary Clinton:

She clearly has a fairly pro-war record on foreign policy, refuses to commit to any serious troop withdrawls from Iraq and has effectively joined the war drums for Iran.

Her universal healthcare plan is basically compulsory insurance. It is corporatist.

She is swimming in a sea of corporate lobbyist money.

She has a history of supporting censorship.

Yea but other than that she is cool... RIght?????

Had she been aware of what she was voting for she would not hve voted for it......

She is responsible for all the "good things" in the clinton one stint & none of the bad things during that stint........

It is her time...................

She earned this.............................

She is ready to go day one.... WHat ever that means..........

She will pull the troops out when ever she is damn good & ready...

Had she known you weren't going to let her play president she would have divorced "him" a long time ago............

You want a women The Green Party's Cynthia McKinney

OBAMA IS ABOUT HOPE.... hillary IS NOT THE DESTROYER OF HOPE!!

winthrop · 02-07-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by StillNoScript

How so?

Let's start with you. What have you done in particular to help "change the world"? Are you sure you're not just repeating shit you've overheard from those Dennis Hopper Ameritrade commercials?

Are you addressing me personally, or an entire generation? It is quite irrelevant what I have done or not done, by we "aging hippies" I refer to the Baby Boom generation.

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Originally Posted by StillNoScript

The Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964, before the hippie thing started.

Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King Jr. helped change the world, in that regard. What bus did you take a stand on for a black person trying to sit in the front?

Were you out there getting sprayed with a fire hose by the Birmingham PD?

Since I was born in 1953, I personally was in no position to be sprayed by fire hoses or offer Rosa Parks a seat in the front of a bus. However, members of the Baby Boom did indeed take stands alongside the pioneers such as Ms. Parks and Dr. King. Three of them, James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner died at the hands of racist thugs on a back road in Mississippi. Read up on them if you are unfamiliar with their story. No single person changes the world, but the largest generation in terms of numbers in history did indeed change it, in all of the ways I listed.

You seem to be taking this all very personally. The fact is I have no problem with Mr. Obama and will, should he be the nominee, support and vote for him enthusiastically. The important thing for me is to remove all vestiges of the Bush Cabal's ruinous rule of this country, and Mr. McCain will not do that. There is argument that Ms. Clinton may not, but I prefer to trust someone who has a record closer to my liberal ideals than Mr. McCain has demonstrated, the screeching of the Limbaughs, Coulters, Becks and/or whatever other paleolithic media clowns seeking attention notwithstanding. You and others here will vote as you will, as is your right. But do not be fooled. When the election comes, it may be tighter than many anticipate and we have no reason to believe the Republican machine, perhaps independent of Mr. McCain, will not use a close election to steal power once again. Every vote lost by the Democratic nominee, whomever that may be, gives the Republicans and their Bush surrogates the potential of another four or more years to do to the environment, the Constitution, civil liberties, and international relations what they have done these past eight years, while continuing to enrich the corporations elite and the arms dealers and manufacturers beyond their previous dreams.
Understand, I am not insisting for whom you vote, I have no say in the matter and I know that. But everyone should be aware of what the implications of voting Republican, either directly or by omission, means for the future of this country and the world. This is not melodrama, it is reality.

chambers92 · 02-07-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by winthrop

Are you addressing me personally, or an entire generation? It is quite irrelevant what I have done or not done, by we "aging hippies" I refer to the Baby Boom generation.

Since I was born in 1953, I personally was in no position to be sprayed by fire hoses or offer Rosa Parks a seat in the front of a bus. However, members of the Baby Boom did indeed take stands alongside the pioneers such as Ms. Parks and Dr. King. Three of them, James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner died at the hands of racist thugs on a back road in Mississippi. Read up on them if you are unfamiliar with their story. No single person changes the world, but the largest generation in terms of numbers in history did indeed change it, in all of the ways I listed.

You seem to be taking this all very personally. The fact is I have no problem with Mr. Obama and will, should he be the nominee, support and vote for him enthusiastically. The important thing for me is to remove all vestiges of the Bush Cabal's ruinous rule of this country, and Mr. McCain will not do that. There is argument that Ms. Clinton may not, but I prefer to trust someone who has a record closer to my liberal ideals than Mr. McCain has demonstrated, the screeching of the Limbaughs, Coulters, Becks and/or whatever other paleolithic media clowns seeking attention notwithstanding. You and others here will vote as you will, as is your right. But do not be fooled. When the election comes, it may be tighter than many anticipate and we have no reason to believe the Republican machine, perhaps independent of Mr. McCain, will not use a close election to steal power once again. Every vote lost by the Democratic nominee, whomever that may be, gives the Republicans and their Bush surrogates the potential of another four or more years to do to the environment, the Constitution, civil liberties, and international relations what they have done these past eight years, while continuing to enrich the corporations elite and the arms dealers and manufacturers beyond their previous dreams.
Understand, I am not insisting for whom you vote, I have no say in the matter and I know that. But everyone should be aware of what the implications of voting Republican, either directly or by omission, means for the future of this country and the world. This is not melodrama, it is reality.

Nicely put.

CosmicRocker · 02-07-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by StillNoScript

How so?

Let's start with you. What have you done in particular to help "change the world"? Are you sure you're not just repeating shit you've overheard from those Dennis Hopper Ameritrade commercials?

The Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964, before the hippie thing started.

Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King Jr. helped change the world, in that regard. What bus did you take a stand on for a black person trying to sit in the front?

Were you out there getting sprayed with a fire hose by the Birmingham PD?

" I went down to the demonstation to get my fair share of abuse" ( Stones)

Well. I almost got my head stove in at the Un. of Maryland College Park.
This was the night we shut down US 1.
A National Guard on horseback was following up with charges into our lines after a tear gas attack.
We scattered in retreat. Somehow he Guardsman decided not to wack me .
He was on horseback, me with my hands up on top my head ( to shield the blow) in the corner of 2 buildings.
He reared up on horseback. lifted his baton, then pulled away and went on to the next dude.

Maybe 'cause i was in a corner, in a defensive position - i don't know.
But he had me nailed if he wanted to.

I've been gassed 3 different times - the other at Morgan State University . And on other time at Univ. of Maryland.

STOP THE WAR - was my little contribution towards peace.

StillNoScript · 02-07-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by chambers92

Nicely put.

LOL. "nicely put". It was off topic hyperbole, chambers.

He was blatantly giving hippies credit for the advancement of blacks, which is an insult to people like Rosa Parks and Dr. King. When I called him on that, he descended into that Dennis Hopper Ameritrade ad-esque blowout that you just gave him kudos for. He didn't address my point. He just gave me more "hippies saved the world" bullshit.

Then, of course, he pulled the classic Cookie move, accused me of "taking things personally". Weak.

If you're crediting him for just giving a good hoo rah speech for the Baby Boomer generation, be my guest. But if you're crediting him for addressing my points, you shoud review the thread.

julia · 02-07-2008, 02:36 PM

Sorry, no time to read back.
I'm trying to leave client site for a long drive home.

There is no question that Dems should vote Democratic in Novemeber: there is too much at stake for the Supreme Court.
The right wing court of Roberts and Alito have scaled back many important advances for Federal whistle blowers, parts of the civil rights act of 1964, consumer rights and a woman's right to chose.

bbl

winthrop · 02-07-2008, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by StillNoScript

LOL. "nicely put". It was off topic hyperbole, chambers.

He was blatantly giving hippies credit for the advancement of blacks, which is an insult to people like Rosa Parks and Dr. King. When I called him on that, he descended into that Dennis Hopper Ameritrade ad-esque blowout that you just gave him kudos for. He didn't address my point. He just gave me more "hippies saved the world" bullshit.

Then, of course, he pulled the classic Cookie move, accused me of "taking things personally". Weak.

If you're crediting him for just giving a good hoo rah speech for the Baby Boomer generation, be my guest. But if you're crediting him for addressing my points, you shoud review the thread.

Then what, pray tell, are your "points", if indeed you have any? I did not say "hippies saved the world", I said they changed it, and in my original post I pointed out how, and acknowledged some of those changes were not that desirable.
You asked me what I "personally" did for the civil rights movement and I gave you examples of what the Baby Boom generation did to aid those who were at the forefront of the civil rights movement. Perhaps you aspire to be as obtuse as RK77, but that is hardly a goal of which to be proud. Unlike her, try to read with your brain instead of your overamped emotional state.
You should address your obsession with Dennis Hopper as well, it seems quite unhealthy. As for "Ameritrade", hopefully you are saving for retirement, in spite of your hatred for that particular company and its television spokesman.

CosmicRocker · 02-07-2008, 02:57 PM

Hippies changed the world....
maybe to an extent we empowered the left to it's modern anti-war leanings.

Also we had some damn good music !! LOL

Free Parking · 02-07-2008, 04:06 PM

I am a Democrat, and I will not vote for Hillary.

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