I'm a Democrat, and I will not vote for Hillary if she's the nominee.

StillNoScript · 02-06-2008, 01:32 AM

That's it.

And, you can call it sour grapes. But I'd have to tell you, there wouldn't be any sour grapes from my end if there wasn't pretentious and borderline racist bullshit coming from the end of Hillary supporters.

They've called us naive.

They've called us children (despite all of us being adults).

They've accused us of playing the race card, for merely mentioning race (when Hillary has been playing the gender card her entire political life...)

They've mocked us to no end for having dreams of change in Washington.

I've had it to here. I'm writing Barack Obama in, rather he's on the ballot or not, in November.

I know I won't be alone. I know there are a lot of Obama supporters that have had to endure this pretentious bullshit from these aging know it all hippies for the past year.

Also, considering Hillary is obviously bullshitting us on Iraq and will certainly keep us there just as McCain would, how much worse would a vote for McCain be than a vote for Hillary?

CosmicRocker · 02-06-2008, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StillNoScript

That's it.

And, you can call it sour grapes. But I'd have to tell you, there wouldn't be any sour grapes from my end if there wasn't pretentious and borderline racist bullshit coming from the end of Hillary supporters.

They've called us naive.

They've called us children (despite all of us being adults).

They've accused us of playing the race card, for merely mentioning race (when Hillary has been playing the gender card her entire political life...)

They've mocked us to no end for having dreams of change in Washington.

I've had it to here. I'm writing Barack Obama in, rather he's on the ballot or not, in November.

I know I won't be alone. I know there are a lot of Obama supporters that have had to endure this pretentious bullshit from these aging know it all hippies for the past year.

Also, considering Hillary is obviously bullshitting us on Iraq and will certainly keep us there just as McCain would, how much worse would a vote for McCain be than a vote for Hillary?

HAHA blame in on us ageing hippies! How rich.
Since ur young; take it from this old hipster that fracturing the party, and failure to unify ; gives results like 1968. Richard Nixon

If that doesn't IMMEDIATELY give you cold sweats at night; use ur time to study political science.
Cause you need a clue how awful it was to live under 8 years of "peace with honor" -
as the slaughter in Vietnam went on, while us freaks were in the streets getting our heads bashed in
( almost for me - luckilly just a few tear gas bombs).

PS. Hillary will get us out of Iraq / ur just projecting.
McCain WILL be just like Nixon! endless " withdrawls" that never happen. Don't let ur anger color your thinking

Jonesy · 02-06-2008, 01:57 AM

Hippies are alright. What I can't stand is censorship. Censor me and we've got big fucking problems, mother-fuckers. I'm a god-damn mother-fucking American... you take away my first amendment rights and we've got some serious mother-fucking problems. Your feelings have been hurt? Your problem. Don't fucking censor me.

Which is not an endorsement for any particular candidate.

Brainpolice · 02-06-2008, 02:16 AM

A few reasons why the far left should dislike Hillary Clinton:

She clearly has a fairly pro-war record on foreign policy, refuses to commit to any serious troop withdrawls from Iraq and has effectively joined the war drums for Iran.

Her universal healthcare plan is basically compulsory insurance. It is corporatist.

She is swimming in a sea of corporate lobbyist money.

She has a history of supporting censorship.

jdanton · 02-06-2008, 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StillNoScript

That's it.

And, you can call it sour grapes. But I'd have to tell you, there wouldn't be any sour grapes from my end if there wasn't pretentious and borderline racist bullshit coming from the end of Hillary supporters.

They've called us naive.

They've called us children (despite all of us being adults).

They've accused us of playing the race card, for merely mentioning race (when Hillary has been playing the gender card her entire political life...)

They've mocked us to no end for having dreams of change in Washington.

I've had it to here. I'm writing Barack Obama in, rather he's on the ballot or not, in November.

I know I won't be alone. I know there are a lot of Obama supporters that have had to endure this pretentious bullshit from these aging know it all hippies for the past year.

Also, considering Hillary is obviously bullshitting us on Iraq and will certainly keep us there just as McCain would, how much worse would a vote for McCain be than a vote for Hillary?

"Obviously"? To whom?

You are entitled to vote as you wish, but do you honestly believe anything you've listed above is a serious reason to not vote for her.

The FACTS are that his goals and her goals are quite similar. His voting record on Iraq is identical to hers.

This election is about a man with a vision vs a woman with a plan to achieve that vision.

It bears repeating that I get the IMPRESSION that she is far better versed in the details of her plans than he is of his plans. He speaks far more elloquently than she does, but she says a lot more.

Failing to vote for whomever the nominee is, that's a vote for McCain.

jdanton · 02-06-2008, 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brainpolice

A few reasons why the far left should dislike Hillary Clinton:

She clearly has a fairly pro-war record on foreign policy, refuses to commit to any serious troop withdrawls from Iraq and has effectively joined the war drums for Iran.

Her universal healthcare plan is basically compulsory insurance. It is corporatist.

She is swimming in a sea of corporate lobbyist money.

She has a history of supporting censorship.

She has absolutely committed to "serious troop withdrawals from Iraq" and is the ONLY one who's said the first step would be a plan for doing so properly.

Her healthcare paln is universal. Obama's is not. Do we want universal health care or something that's almost universal healthcare?

You cannot find a single vote she has cast on behalf of the healthcare/drug industry. Obama also has huge money from those.

She has a very short history of supporting censorship; video games is, I believe, the only place where you'll find that history. She has been accused of supporting anti-flag burning legislation, but she, in fact, voted against it.

If you read the Iraq resolution, and her floor speech at the time, you would realize it was an effort to avoid invading.

In that speech she said that it would, hopefully, convince Saddam to cooperation with the inspectors (which it did), and Saddam could then be disarmed without military intervention.

She went on to say that if it did not convince Saddam to cooperate with the inspectors, it would put us in a better position to build a stronger coalition with which to invade.

Bush blew both.

Dr. Zaius · 02-06-2008, 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StillNoScript

That's it.

And, you can call it sour grapes. But I'd have to tell you, there wouldn't be any sour grapes from my end if there wasn't pretentious and borderline racist bullshit coming from the end of Hillary supporters.

They've called us naive.

They've called us children (despite all of us being adults).

They've accused us of playing the race card, for merely mentioning race (when Hillary has been playing the gender card her entire political life...)

They've mocked us to no end for having dreams of change in Washington.

I've had it to here. I'm writing Barack Obama in, rather he's on the ballot or not, in November.

I know I won't be alone. I know there are a lot of Obama supporters that have had to endure this pretentious bullshit from these aging know it all hippies for the past year.

Also, considering Hillary is obviously bullshitting us on Iraq and will certainly keep us there just as McCain would, how much worse would a vote for McCain be than a vote for Hillary?

Not Sour grapes. It's your decision. It may not be how others feel....and it's certainly shows that Obama is a divider and not a uniter....but it is your vote.

HarperLee · 02-06-2008, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StillNoScript

That's it.

And, you can call it sour grapes. But I'd have to tell you, there wouldn't be any sour grapes from my end if there wasn't pretentious and borderline racist bullshit coming from the end of Hillary supporters.

They've called us naive.

They've called us children (despite all of us being adults).

They've accused us of playing the race card, for merely mentioning race (when Hillary has been playing the gender card her entire political life...)

They've mocked us to no end for having dreams of change in Washington.

I've had it to here. I'm writing Barack Obama in, rather he's on the ballot or not, in November.

I know I won't be alone. I know there are a lot of Obama supporters that have had to endure this pretentious bullshit from these aging know it all hippies for the past year.

Also, considering Hillary is obviously bullshitting us on Iraq and will certainly keep us there just as McCain would, how much worse would a vote for McCain be than a vote for Hillary?

I am an aging hippie who will not vote for Hillary in November.

I probably would not have been able to vote for her anyway, but the Clintons' campaign's desperate slime tactics (ridiculing Obama's kindergarten dream of becoming president someday, bringing up Obama's admitted experimentation with drugs, Hillary's wrong-headed Martin Luther King statement, Bill Clinton's arrogant and insensitive Jesse Jackson remark) make it absolutely impossible for me to vote for her.

I wish some station would rerun the early Democratic debates.
Hillary was the least articulate and the most patronizing and imperialistic of the group until she lost in Iowa -- and then she got
nasty. It is true that in the debate with only Clinton, Obama and
Edwards, Obama fought back -- but that was an encouraging sign for those of us who wanted John Kerry to show a pulse when the Swift
Boat ads were running for weeks on every cable and network channel.

jdanton · 02-06-2008, 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarperLee

I am an aging hippie who will not vote for Hillary in November.

I probably would not have been able to vote for her anyway, but the Clintons' campaign's desperate slime tactics (ridiculing Obama's kindergarten dream of becoming president someday, bringing up Obama's admitted experimentation with drugs, Hillary's wrong-headed Martin Luther King statement, Bill Clinton's arrogant and insensitive Jesse Jackson remark) make it absolutely impossible for me to vote for her.

I wish some station would rerun the early Democratic debates.
Hillary was the least articulate and the most patronizing and imperialistic of the group until she lost in Iowa -- and then she got
nasty. It is true that in the debate with only Clinton, Obama and
Edwards, Obama fought back -- but that was an encouraging sign for those of us who wanted John Kerry to show a pulse when the Swift
Boat ads were running for weeks on every cable and network channel.

We must have been watching different debates.

In the debate with just the three, it was Obama who started the fight, and Clinton who fought back. Edwards was the grown up, who for the most part, sided with Hillary on the healthcare plans.

Dr. Zaius · 02-06-2008, 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarperLee

I am an aging hippie who will not vote for Hillary in November.

I probably would not have been able to vote for her anyway, but the Clintons' campaign's desperate slime tactics (ridiculing Obama's kindergarten dream of becoming president someday, bringing up Obama's admitted experimentation with drugs, Hillary's wrong-headed Martin Luther King statement, Bill Clinton's arrogant and insensitive Jesse Jackson remark) make it absolutely impossible for me to vote for her.

I wish some station would rerun the early Democratic debates.
Hillary was the least articulate and the most patronizing and imperialistic of the group until she lost in Iowa -- and then she got
nasty. It is true that in the debate with only Clinton, Obama and
Edwards, Obama fought back -- but that was an encouraging sign for those of us who wanted John Kerry to show a pulse when the Swift
Boat ads were running for weeks on every cable and network channel.

OK...now that was sour grapes.

02-06-2008, 01:32 AM	#1 (permalink)
StillNoScript Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sac Town, Cali Posts: 528 My Mood: Thanks: 10 Thanked 11 Times in 8 Posts	I'm a Democrat, and I will not vote for Hillary if she's the nominee. That's it. And, you can call it sour grapes. But I'd have to tell you, there wouldn't be any sour grapes from my end if there wasn't pretentious and borderline racist bullshit coming from the end of Hillary supporters. They've called us naive. They've called us children (despite all of us being adults). They've accused us of playing the race card, for merely mentioning race (when Hillary has been playing the gender card her entire political life...) They've mocked us to no end for having dreams of change in Washington. I've had it to here. I'm writing Barack Obama in, rather he's on the ballot or not, in November. I know I won't be alone. I know there are a lot of Obama supporters that have had to endure this pretentious bullshit from these aging know it all hippies for the past year. Also, considering Hillary is obviously bullshitting us on Iraq and will certainly keep us there just as McCain would, how much worse would a vote for McCain be than a vote for Hillary?
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02-06-2008, 02:16 AM	#4 (permalink)
Brainpolice Free Market Anarchist Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Euclid, Ohio Posts: 378 My Mood: Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hillary Clinton Is Not Left-wing Enough For Me A few reasons why the far left should dislike Hillary Clinton: She clearly has a fairly pro-war record on foreign policy, refuses to commit to any serious troop withdrawls from Iraq and has effectively joined the war drums for Iran. Her universal healthcare plan is basically compulsory insurance. It is corporatist. She is swimming in a sea of corporate lobbyist money. She has a history of supporting censorship. __________________ http://mises.com/blogs/brainpolice/
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