DanS.

didn't say there weren't ANY




I didn't say they were all available in Canada...just that the competiton was limited...which is why the generics cost more in Canada...no competition




yeah...but mostly what I was referring to was in regards to Africa, Brazil etc.etc.


I don't think that my point was that only we could produce them...just that given the competition here it is more likely....and yeah I agree about the whole producing in other countries and not being allowed here...but whose fault is that? The FDA is worthless...

RK77

80% of what? Their fee or the medicare approved fee? Either could be illegal.

RK77

So we don't have to find another 1.7 right? Just keep paying 1.7 of the 2 trillion they were going to rape my check for anyway? Is that right?

We are in agreement here.

Hillary likes to stress she is giving you a "choice". That to me is like a rapist giving me a choice between blowing him or taking it in the butt! AND as a little caveat if I don't get raped---Hillary wants ME punished for it!

The choices that need to be made available to patients is at the level of care itself! Do you want a PCN injection ---for $80.00 fee for a MA to shot you OR would you rather take 4 pills the first day and 2 every day after. Stuff like that.

RK77

I think we are talking past each other a little on this ---easy to do because the topic is complex with loads of ins and outs and caveats.

suffice it to say--from my side--that if we can discover the drugs (and we do often have the best or only)---if we have the minds to do that then SURELY we can figure out some better ways to make them affordable for American citizens. My grandmother should not have to pay for a grandmother in India to have her drugs too.

There is a better way and our government by placating the public keeps "we the people" from demanding it!

RK77

Likely if your mother lived to 92 there are a HUGE variety of medical problems she did NOT have.

You cannot continue to chose to view the world through the VERY narrow prism of your own personal experiences and then expect all of us here to travel that road with you, JD. It is beyond irritating!

PLEASE---I BEG YOU---google and read before you post! PLEASE!!

DanS.

yep...I suppose a good question would be how do we keep from having to pay for the grandmother in India? There is so much pressure internationally for our drug makers to sell their product at a loss in other countries...what is the option? I've actually got a case study that I haven't started yet about this from the busiesses perspective...it's tough really..

Malkavian

yes, that's right We were paying that money all along, and then some

yeps, you got it.

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RK77

JD---how much was with held from your mothers monthly soc sec check for her medicare B coverage? Do you know? What medigap plan was she enrolled in -- do you know?

Do you understand how dramatically the strategy of declining payment for services already rendered drives up the cost of healthcare? Do you think that you can figure that out by yourself or should I try to explain it?

Do you understand that the mere possiblity of payment being declined rapidly changes the services that are made available to the patient?


For those who have been following this discussion --- THIS is an example of what the PROBLEM is! People have no clear understanding of how costs and payment considerations effect their care! They don't have to come out of pocket---that is all they understand.

It is just this sort of ignorance that our politicians in conjunction with the healthcare industry has relied on for decades!!

While the money was moving back and forth behind the scenes JD's mom may or may not have recieved the best care available to her---but he would never know---because he is lulled by the promise of something that SEEMS to be "free".

RK77

It is tough as hell!! One of the most complex questions ever to face us as a nation and a member of the global society!

I believe, however that there are answers! And I am not so sure they are hard to find---if you keep your eye on the ball.

The problem here is that the "ball" in this particular industry unlike so many others MUST be the patient---not the insurance companies or the drug companies or the doctors or the nurses or the hospitals...etc!

Does it disturb you that the FIRST thing that the government chose to price control was the payment to the only group of people trained to determine your care----the physician?

Why would you limit payment to the physician WITHOUT imposing similar limitations on every other industry that the physician had to pay to provide the service? The argument was "well---we can't interfere with the free market"?

The destruction has occured from the Patient up! EVERY cost control measure has been focused entirely on providing less care to the patient!

Medicare reduced physician fees by 10% last year---after years of no increases. We joke sometimes amongst ourselves that legislators who in their law practices make what we pay for seeing a patient for every 5 minutes they spend on a phone call have decided to pay us for only 5 minutes and wonder why the quality of care is diminishing!

Again i say that the BALL the eye needs to focus on is the patient---the life expectancy---the lost days from work---the pain and suffering and death. From there build up!

I am more than confident that the brilliant business minds would find a way to make it pay--at lower costs--if the people drew a line in the sand and instead of crying out for payment systems cried out for CARE! Complete, Total, compassionate life saving CARE!

If we cannot figure the answers to that---how great a nation are we really?

julia

Hey~
Isn't this what was said about movies re: VCRs and Dvds?

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