hillary's mandatory health care> how is it better than Edawrds or Obama's???? - Page 3

BillCosby · 02-09-2008, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffinCO

proper health care should be the right of every citizen.
...not the requirement.

Take a guy who cant afford health insurance for his family,..and FINE him, because he cant afford it. (As I understand it it will be, like car insurance, right?)... Doesnt sound like a solution to me....

(unless of course, i have an interest in the MEGA_GIANT health care/ heath insurance companies.)

THEN it sounds GREAT!!!!

This stinks like yesterdays diapers.

I think to some this sounds like socialism... I would have been one of them had I not found out that many if not most of the "other" free democratic societies get a much better deal than we do...........

The idea is hardly new or radical.......... Huey P Long to tickyDICK E fuckingnixon..........

If we took a good portion of that money we spend on war & used it for healthcare we could even afford some of those illegals they are afraid of getting some free aspirins........

RK77 · 02-09-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BillCosby

I think to some this sounds like socialism... I would have been one of them had I not found out that many if not most of the "other" free democratic societies get a much better deal than we do...........

The idea is hardly new or radical.......... Huey P Long to tickyDICK E fuckingnixon..........

If we took a good portion of that money we spend on war & used it for healthcare we could even afford some of those illegals they are afraid of getting some free aspirins........

If the insurance companies were removed from the equation and tighter regulations were placed on all industries serving healthcare---enforced value pricing for example---there is ALREADY enough federal money in the system to cover all americans not covered via employers.

Kucinich understood this---he just knows jack shit about medicare and medicaid and how they actually pan out.

julia · 02-09-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by julia

Edwards healthc plan had two parts:

-Have private insurance plans
and

-Expand govt programs such as medicare/medicaid for those who could not afford private insurance

The logic was that since the govt program would have lower costs it would attract more people and by market correction it would be the more popular program.

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Originally Posted by RK77

And this was one of my GREATEST problems with Edwards---it is totally disengenuous!!

Edwards MUST know that medicare is NOT free to it's benificiaries!!

Part A of Medicare which covers ONLY hospitalization
...

K, I wrote SUCH AS medicaid/ medicare because most americans cannot relate to government sponsored healthC.

The details are listed in his plan posted, which are moot since he is no longer running.

BillCosby · 02-09-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RK77

If the insurance companies were removed from the equation and tighter regulations were placed on all industries serving healthcare---enforced value pricing for example---there is ALREADY enough federal money in the system to cover all americans not covered via employers.

Kucinich understood this---he just knows jack shit about medicare and medicaid and how they actually pan out.

I am not sure on the money in the system but there has not been much talk about the pricing etc in a while..... @ least from what I heard.......

I recall hearing about a dispute between the usa & Australia dealing w/ unfair pricing in their markets....... It was up to the drug company to prove the cost & any increases......... Unlike here.......... & unamerican..........

Malkavian · 02-09-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BillCosby

I think to some this sounds like socialism... I would have been one of them had I not found out that many if not most of the "other" free democratic societies get a much better deal than we do...........

The idea is hardly new or radical.......... Huey P Long to tickyDICK E fuckingnixon..........

If we took a good portion of that money we spend on war & used it for healthcare we could even afford some of those illegals they are afraid of getting some free aspirins........

Hmm... Everybody sez 'cut out private health ins to cut administrative costs'.... Well, ok, that's fair enough. Private health ins employs about 2-3 million people and in order for those savings to realize, those people must be fired. In addition, advertising and marketing will be affected as well, presumably stunting those sectors.

Not saying this is a bad thing necessarily, but on top of subprime collapse, this may lead to severe recession if UHC is pushed through in 2008. Moreover, medical billing doesn't require much skill, you punch numbers in the computer.. Soo... all those fired people will have to be retrained somehow. in the middle of a recession and tax hikes. Anybody considered that? Is this possible? Not really? Maybe?

julia · 02-09-2008, 01:39 PM

Pleading for the jobs of marketers versus the lives of those who can't afford health insurance is not very compelling.

Geez, white collar worker jobs versus who deserves to die?

Despite spending over $2 trillion a year on health care - 18% of the U.S. GDP and twice as much as any other nation -- the United States ranks only 45th in life expectancy and 37th in a World Health Organization study on the performance of national health systems.

(CIA: The World Factbook, June 19, 2007 and"Health Systems Performance Assessment," World Health Organization.)

BillCosby · 02-09-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Malkavian

Hmm... Everybody sez 'cut out private health ins to cut administrative costs'.... Well, ok, that's fair enough. Private health ins employs about 2-3 million people and in order for those savings to realize, those people must be fired. In addition, advertising and marketing will be affected as well, presumably stunting those sectors.

Not saying this is a bad thing necessarily, but on top of subprime collapse, this may lead to severe recession if UHC is pushed through in 2008. Moreover, medical billing doesn't require much skill, you punch numbers in the computer.. Soo... all those fired people will have to be retrained somehow. in the middle of a recession and tax hikes. Anybody considered that? Is this possible? Not really? Maybe?

There are always +'s & -'s....................

I believe all that changes nothing.......

Most of those already w/ coverage see no hurry, or perhaps reason & lots of excuses not to..........

& what of those w/out coverage or inadequate coverage ????? I would imagine that those 50 million or so would be about unanimous!!!!!

Imagine:

Going through good time w/ good coverage or tuff times w/ good coverage............

I don't think the ppl w/ no coverage during good or bad times are feeling your pain here...............

My 2 cents.................

BillCosby · 02-09-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by julia

Pleading for the jobs of marketers versus the lives of those who can't afford health insurance is not very compelling.

Geez, white collar worker jobs versus who deserves to die?

Despite spending over $2 trillion a year on health care - 18% of the U.S. GDP and twice as much as any other nation -- the United States ranks only 45th in life expectancy and 37th in a World Health Organization study on the performance of national health systems.

(CIA: The World Factbook, June 19, 2007 and"Health Systems Performance Assessment," World Health Organization.)

But we have the biggest military & are the lone superpower.....

.

What is more important...???

Winning or health...

I think you know the answer our gov has chosen...................

.............>>>>

Malkavian · 02-09-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BillCosby

There are always +'s & -'s....................

I believe all that changes nothing.......

Most of those already w/ coverage see no hurry, or perhaps reason & lots of excuses not to..........

& what of those w/out coverage or inadequate coverage ????? I would imagine that those 50 million or so would be about unanimous!!!!!

Imagine:

Going through good time w/ good coverage or tuff times w/ good coverage............

I don't think the ppl w/ no coverage during good or bad times are feeling your pain here...............

My 2 cents.................

I don't have an opinion on it... yet. I'm just asking a question... Has anybody, including political candidates, considered this? They will destroy a large chunk of US economy and millions of jobs. In the long term, this may be beneficial. But people want to eat in the short term, has anybody given a thought to a follow up plan? Any training services offered? Extended unemployment benefits?

People may find themselves with good health plan, but unemployed and evicted from their houses. So, if that will happen, what's plan B?

RK77 · 02-09-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by julia

K, I wrote SUCH AS medicaid/ medicare because most americans cannot relate to government sponsored healthC.

The details are listed in his plan posted, which are moot since he is no longer running.

I know Jules---I stuck with a discussion of Medicare/Medicaid for the same reason.

HealthC while not having the SAME cost/premium structures as Medicare will have the same clinical drawbacks, imo.

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