CosmicRocker

well i don't read everything, and im sure there are backroom deals
( this IS politics) - but I would find it interesting if any effected the outcome of delegate selection.

Superdelegates are being courted by both sides.

I've always been pro-Hillary,
and while i had serious doubts about Obama's readiness as a president, when he promised summits with Iran, without pre-conditions;
I'm sure cooler heads would prevail as the institutional forces steadied such ideas, if he were elected.

But I've never been a 'hater' like some. I realize getting a Dem in office is preminent to my preferences

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CosmicRocker

RK - feel free to quote me, but you will wait till hell freezes over before i engage you in " conversation"

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gorillamom

I just heard on the news that Mike Huckabee is threatening to bring lawyers here to Washington State! The State declaired McCain the winner before the count was over.

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poetrychic

me too, seems like they would be at least equal in representation just given their very nature...though maybe he's suggesting that because more of the population goes to a polling place to cast a vote, for instance in washington there are just over 3 million registered voters, but just over 30,000 caucused...in comparison, south carolina with about 2.5 million voters had a turnout of over 400,000...

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CosmicRocker

I was speaking primarily of the 2nd vote thing.
Only 1 secret ballot in primaries.
Ur move PC

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poetrychic

i see what you're saying...that by being able to switch who you support then the vote is not really representing your initial choice...

now, it's yours

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Heretic

It always effects the delegate selection. It's just another of my long list of reasons not to vote for parties. They're by nature undemocratic.

Yeah, but in that pool of sharks honest and decency are disadvantages.

Why should Obama be considered less ready when Hillary can't even be honest to the fact she only has seven years experience.

But as for summits, I don't think you understand how those work. See, FIRST you meet THEN you decide what the conditions are. How else do you think those nuclear disarmament talks went with the Soviets. Wanting conditions in advance is how the Jr. Administration fucked everything up. If you want Cheney in a pantsuit keep supporting Hillary (R) Clinton.

Hey! If she'd stop siding with the extreme right wing, stop insulting our intellegence and not take money from coal; oil; insurance and drug companies, base her policies on those donors, then she'd stand a chance at earning my vote. But so long as she sides against the public then we the majority of the public will side against her.

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Heretic

Well McCain did take it in a landslide.

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CosmicRocker

actually -no.

State and lower level delegation prepare the agendas as much as possible.

Pre- negotiations smooth out things as far as possible.

Issues are negotiated prior as much as possible.

Nuclear disarments were established as much as possible thru lower level talks.

THEN the leaders get together, with an agenda ( which of course can be modified by both parties ) and agree on the final, big issues

No summit is negotiated without pre-conditions.
No president would risk a "failed summit" by walking in and saying

WASSUP IRAN * i moved PC *

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Heretic

Then you REALLY don't get it, because Hillary thinks you place the kinds of demands that Jr. would have when those should be decided through the process of the summit. See the steps you outlined ARE part of the summitting process itself. They don't happen in advance of the lower level discussions as Hillary would demand.

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