anhailla

Wrong again

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Malkavian

Dude, you do NOT want government running production. We tried that for 70 years, ended badly. I will support UHC and getting rid of ins companies as they don't produce anything but paperwork and we could do with less of it, but Pharma is incredibly important. I doubt many will for for its nationalization.

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W.M.DEEEZ

There are nurses, and then there are NURSES

I've been dating one of the dedicated ones for 5 years. She works 3 twelve hour shifts, and does not get paid overtime unless she gets mandated to stay later, or works extra days.


Until I met her, and discussed her hectic day with her every time she crawls home from work, I couldn't understand the $29.00 aspirin.

Then, I realized that the hospital pays staff to mop floors, prepare meals,(ok, they charge for meals) fix anything that breaks, etc..

Say nothing of the utilities bill.




If you think your politicians are going to help with the pharma situation, read this.

Pushing Prescriptions - The Center for Public Integrity


Malky is a dedicated, hard working employee, who is one of the few that earns his keep in the industry.

Jomo has it right, though. The fat that needs to be trimmed at the highest levels is disgusting. We can get into a debate about how much CEO's should get paid, but that's fodder for another 45 pages.


Doctors are goaded into pushing pills...period. There's no money in preventive medicine, so we've got a pill for everything. And I have my doubts about due diligence with R&D anymore.

Vioxx, and now Zetia come to mind. More about rushing to market, before the competition does than completing research.


Those of us who pay for insurance, also pay for those who get a free trip to the ER, everytime baby gets sick.


And while we're on the topic of insurance...

Break the Insurance Lobby Choke-hold on Health Care | Physicians for a National Health Program



At every turn, we find graft, profiteering, and excess spending on lavish parties. All of which are legal under the current system.

Perhaps we should remove deductions for lavish trips, and parties. We'll never be able to put a lid on salaries for the top of the heap, and it doesn't seem likely that this bunch will pay income tax any time soon.



There is no easy answer...certainly it isn't the few that bust their asses to make people well. Neither Malky, nor the nurses are the problem.


Start by trimming the fat, and by kicking their asses out of the halls of Washington DC.

Go do a little search, to see just how many lawmakers have lucrative portfolios that include Ins. and Pharma investments.

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anhailla

aw shucks...you can dish it out but can't take it

geez I feel bad..
until I re-read your post to me.

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anhailla

good post.

I was accused of being one of "those people who wants the best for free"
little did the poster realize how wrong he was...it happens, it's a message board
people are quick to categorize people, I myself... make this mistake

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W.M.DEEEZ

No matter the discussion, we all have our own reality. In my decrepit area, there was never a shutdown of the nursing programs. We had a severe shortage in the 80's, followed by an excess of nurses. Now, we're back to a shortage.

Nurses are typically underpaid in this particular area, but an hour drive gives better opportunity.



Back to the top...unless you've been, or know a nurse, it's easy to mistake what goes on in the industry.



To add to the OP...why do we not let people die in this country? Unless you've had the insight to fill out the proper paperwork, you will lay in a bed...like Schiavo, until hopefully you go to your rest.


Meanwhile, there are always shortages of beds.

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anhailla

the shortage is estimated to be 1 million nurses by the year 2020...
firghtening stuff for sure.

yes..I know several who drive to make a better wage.


lol...I became aware of that on this thread


that paragraph alone deserves it's own thread.
Technology saves lives...and it also creates living hell for many.

...and the baby boomers are aging. There are many troubles on the horizon..

tell your girlfriend many thanks for her hard work and dedication

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Thanks, but i'm not in pharama... Chemical industry for high tech. But i know people, classmates, who work for oil and pharma, they seem to do alright, those are good jobs to have...

Anyway, i think this country is over medicated, and it ain't pharma's fault. People want happiness in a pill, desperately, and this pill must be the latest and the greatest. Pharma simply provides.

You wanna stop forking over $billions to pharma? Don't leave you doc's office until he prescribes you generics. Use his flower pots as a bathroom if you have to, but unless people get this through their skulls, latest and greatest will cost them. Moreover, everything latest and greatest WILL have teething problems (Windows 95 Blue Screen of Death anyone?). Since drugs go into your body, instead of crashed computer, you may get crashed organs. The more pressure there is on the pharma to increase output, the higher is the likelihood of people dropping dead...

To be fair, not all of this is people's fault... Even though side effects are required, there is no meaningful way of comparison between one drug or another... You have to rely on your doc who is bought by a particular corp and is thus not a very objective judge. There, regulations must be passed that would require a full disclosure about comparative performance between various medications, so that people would be able to judge for themselves and decide whether to get a better performing brand name or a lower end generic...

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W.M.DEEEZ

That's what I thought, but from this conversation I thought you might have changed fields.


Yes, but they rely on doctors for advice. I don't know any doctors that suggest some other avenue, before they whip out that prescription pad. The aforementioned commercials for all these drugs, have people "asking their doctors about" drugs that they don't even know the use of.

We have been trained that we need a pill. And, there is no such thing as a pill that doesn't adversely affect you in some way. Profit is the driving force behind much of these prescriptions that are being written.

And this begs the question, " Where is this pressure coming from?" I say the stockholders. There are no plagues that need to be addressed these days. Not in america, anyway. Profit is the motive at almost every turn.


When there was supposedly a shortage of flu shots a few years ago, why did nobody get on t.v. and suggest to seniors that they should at least take 1000mg. of vitamin C to boost their immune systems?

Because there is no vitamin lobby? Instead, they created a panic in the senior community. We need less drugs, not more. My parents were so overmedicated, they were zombies. The elderly are guinea pigs, and gold mines for the pharm. co's.


What you say here is valid, but in the grand scheme of things, saving money on generics is generally the rule. Most ins. policies demand it.

I don't think we would bring down the cost of healthcare as much by demanding generics, as we would by stopping the graft, and waste in the industries.

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