Teri B.

Well, most of y'all are biased beyond belief, so there's not a lot of point discussing it. People tend to see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. In the end, it's just artful words and the power of personality. Neither of those skills tells me a lot about what they will actually be able to achieve. It all seems pretty scripted and disingenuous when they attack each other on these petty points. THAT's what makes me sick.

The real differences are between them and the republicans. I hope everyone can keep that in mind.

DanS.

likewise From where I sit people who think she's a decent candidate do the same thing.

Strange, I've seen virtually no difference between Hillary and the R's...oh wait...you must mean what she says when it's politically expedient as opposed to what she's done when it was equally politically expedient...silly me.

I agree with her on virtually nothing...Her health care system is criminal....and on most other issues she's contradicted herself so many times that I can't believe anything she says...The Iraq war, The patriot Act....hell she's been for and against everything from flag burning to banning violent video games....it doesn't get much worse than that...

Teri B.

See what I mean about biased?

Even they agree there's very little difference between their health care plans - he mandates coverage for kids; she mandates it for everyone, but you'd prefer to trash her for . . . some reason. I'm sick and completely disgusted with bickering with people on their non-specific, made up, hate-filled CRAP. Even when you prove them wrong, they just latch on to some other petty idiotic nonsense. It's pointless.

There's a reason so many women support Hillary, and it has to do with this absurd, unwarranted hatred she faces and always has. A strong, determined, capable ambitious woman is an evil manipulative bitch, while a man with those qualities is the second coming of JFK, MLK, or fill in the blank.

I'll be glad when this is settled.

Heretic

If so then it's a good thing, because he does what Nader does, which is to remind us what a REAL Democrat should be.

What took'ya so long?

If he's a watering carrying piece of shit then yes, but if he's had a real turnaround from his law firm days we'll see.

No, she fired her campaign managering in a desperate attempt to deny that she herself is the reason she's losing. She's the worst candidate in her party and it's becoming clear to a grown number of voters.

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Teri B.

I guess people just enjoy hating someone. I'll chime in again when we can agree the person being hated and reviled actually deserves it.

Veronica

Teri,

It sounds like you are dragging your own baggage into this argument. Yes women have it harder, so what, so do African Americans. I am a woman who worked in a male dominated field, in a very high position. Was it easy, no, but this does not make me lean towards Hillary. Did men hate me, maybe, who cares. She has made it despite what anybody feels or says. No one is making her into a characterization except her own responses and actions during this campaign. She was the dominant leader when it began and he was the upstart. She has inspired this ill will with her actions from people that had none to begin with.

If she loses, she will have herself to blame not a right wing or left wing conspiracy.

Heretic

Except Jr.'s not running so it's irrelevant. We're starting to see a voter rebellion against the establishment in both parties. Although, the republican party it's the squeaky wheel extremists who're finding they no longer dictate the direction.

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Teri B.

Here's an interesting back and forth between people who aren't biased towards one or the other - Edwards supporters. I tend to find them more rational lately.

Join the Campaign to Change America / John Edwards '08 Blog

Heretic

We're biased against what Hilary represents. Anyone who doesn't know isn't paying attention.

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Teri B.

So, I'm not paying attention? Uh huh. So insulting me and people like me is part of the Obama plan is it? Good plan.

They're trying to sort out which one is best on an honest basis. Some like one, some like the other.

Everyone who doesn't fall at the feet of Obama's masterful oratory skills isn't guilty of not paying attention - just not impressed. Reagan, "the great communicator" had that same quality, and look where that got us. I'm more interested in who can do the job. We may need the best president in a century, given the problems he or she is going to encounter. Inspiring speeches and a likeable personality would be helpful I suppose, but not necessarily a requirement.