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Old 02-14-2008, 02:46 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Old 02-14-2008, 05:27 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Except for the core Hillary haters, this won't mean a damned thing in the general election.
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I don't know how to say this, but we are where we are. Obama is now the definitive front runner.

Hillary is hoping for, and may well get, significant wins in Texas, Ohio, Pa, and possibly Wisconsin.

Then she'll be the front runner again.

Our bickering here won't change much of anything, but the voters in those states sure as hell may.

We are either going to be united behind our nominee or we are going to put another republican in the White House, and that republican will be able to appoint more conservative judges, veto bills we'd like to see passed.

I view this election simply as form vs substance. He's got better form, she's got more substance.

Some say she knows how to "manipulate" our system. That's another way of saying she's more likely to get things done.

He says he wan't to "fix" "change" the system. Well, in order to do that, the changes and repairs will have to go through THIS system, no?

The very concept that he'll make the right decision the first time, everytime, which IS what he's saying, I find arrogant. Reminds me of the guy in the white house now.

She uses the word "prudent" in regards to her decisions, and I like that.

She's cast a FEW votes most people here disagree with. It was widely viewed by many here that the K-L resolution would lead immediately to the invasion of Iran.

I viewed it differently. My view was that by designating that particular group as a terrorist organization, we established a difference between that group and Iran proper.

I believed we sent a message to Iran NOT to do anything Bush could use as an excuse to attack.

One of the things that happend after that resolution passed is that the death rate in Iraq lowered. That doesn't necessarily mean it was because of that resolution. It could have been coincidence. Or, it could have been connected.

One thing it did not do was lead to an immediate invasion or bombing of Iran.

There seems to be a fundamental difference between the Hillary supporters and the Obama supporters. I detect from his supporters a "gloating" over his victories. I don't believe I, or other Hillary supporters, gloated over any of her victories.

I know I posted that she and Rudy would likely not go wire to wire as front runners.

The media keeps telling us what she needs to do in the coming states. Conversely, he needs to do well in those states, even if he doesn't win them, to prevent her from jumping into the lead again.

I don't think anyone should celebrate yet. We should hold our celebrations until November, no matter who gets the democratic nomination.

In that the Hillary supporters here have been more prone to pledge their support to whomever wins the nomination than have the Obama supporters, it's very hard to see his supporters as having "uniting" as being a major part of their agenda.

They sound more and more like Bush, who seems to thing working together is everyone doing it his way.
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Old 02-14-2008, 08:13 AM   #54 (permalink)
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jd, you admit that you doubted hillary and giuliani would last as front runners... sounds to me like you should have honored that gut feeling instead of attempting "to push the river". (a buddhist saying)

because if part of you recognized that she wouldn't do well, it's apparent that you already KNEW deep down WHY she really isn't right for THIS particular election, at THIS particular time in our country.

i hoped and prayed that hillary would have the wisdom not to attempt to run this time. i made no bones about it and spoke of it over on the old board frequently. i had hoped that she possessed the wisdom to realize that RIGHT NOW the country wasn't in the right place politically, that what the country needed was a break from divisive politics. the fact that she didn't recognize how divisive her candidacy would be made me reassess my warm and fuzzy feelings about her. it seemed to me running for president would be the worst possible thing she could do for her career and the country. and, my gut was right.

i think yours was, too.
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We are either going to be united behind our nominee or we are going to put another republican in the White House, and that republican will be able to appoint more conservative judges, veto bills we'd like to see passed..
McCain is not exactly endearing to conservatives on many issues. He is just a Republican, not GWB.

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I view this election simply as form vs substance. He's got better form, she's got more substance...
Well, if you call "substance" pandering and condescension, I have to agree.



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She uses the word "prudent" in regards to her decisions, and I like that....
I remember another president who used the phrase "...wouldn't be prudent." a lot. I liked that, too. No, really.

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There seems to be a fundamental difference between the Hillary supporters and the Obama supporters. I detect from his supporters a "gloating" over his victories. ....
I also detect this, but I believe it is more by the Hillary Haters, many of whom are Obama supporters.

Why don't you acknowledge that Hillary is simply a polarizing figurine for many reasons folks here have legitimately stated. No matter how much you may like her, she is polarizing. Many like GWB, but he is polarizing.
Let's take Reagan, e.g. A poster on this board pointed out that he was a master at convincing traditional dems to support his policies even though the policies went against their self interests. That, my friend is not polarizing. For better or worse, he actually brought people together.
I see Obama as a liberal who can convince traditional conservatives (the "angry white male, e.g. " ) to support his policies through his charisma. Hillary has no charisma. None.
We've had polarization from the WH now for going on 16 yrs. Personally, I'm sick of it. I'm sure many others are too.
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