Alwayzpeaceful

I hear alot about Obama's lack of experience. Don't all president's have advisors to help advise on what they don't know or lack knowledge? What president knew everything and how do deal with everything?

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CosmicRocker

sure they do. But advisors are often conflicted, myopic or too concerned with their specialty.

It's like when you are young, and you understand something.
But as you get more world experience, you can better understand the inter-relationship of different factors.

There is no substitute for experience - being able to see long range, because you have seen this type of situation crop up before.

The president literally has to make the final decision, as to the course of policy.
He/She has to weigh all factors, think of what is do-able, and incorporate the alternatives into a long range plan.
Make the decisions to further U.S. interests, and not just short term gain

Like Truman said " the buck stops here"

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RK77

In fairness to the Hillary people I think that they are referring to how the system works -- not to the knowledge about issues.

The thing is, imo, is that when you determine that knowing how a malfunctioning system is a priority then you are intentionally selecting for those so entrenched that they are likely unwilling and unable to change it.

No one LIKES change much. Politicians are no different.

I think it would take someone with some arms length from the system to see both what it is and what it could be.

Hillary seems to be sooooo entrenched that she quite sincerely can't seem to see the cess pool that the system is.

Take lobbyiests. Hillary knows cognitively that they are an impediment to the functioning of DC HOWEVER she and her husband have learned how to use this undesireable appendage to the system to their advantage so the dysfunction does not seem as severe to them. It in many senses cognitive dissonance at work.

Hillary is in many ways an I can't person anyway. So it was not hard for her to convince herself that there were other ways to finance her campaign. Obama is showing her that not only is there another way --- there is a better way and she with all of her campaign experience over the 35 years has not yet understood the need to change gears to catch up. It really is sort of sad.

RK77

And thus---judgment becomes critical. Hillary has shown bad judgment at virtually every turn.

She had no successes really--unless you want to count SCHIPS in which case you also need to start lining up the bills Obama has had successfully pass.

Hillary is LITERALLY running on the theory that failure is enough experience.

I would prefer a president who has learned for successes.

Barring that I would like to have a president who has assessed a complex situation and made the right JUDGMENT.

CosmicRocker

politics is an art. The more info you can summon up the better off you are as to what can be done.
So you have to look at who can get things done.

Can they manipulate the "chessboard" to get all the "pieces" to work together in co-ordinated attacks?

Can they withstand counterplay by the opposition?

Can the get they best results with the hand they are dealt? - even if they are at a tacticle disadvantage?

That's much more important than "leadership" or "visions"

DC is a hostile place of conflicting interests, and pressure groups.
A lot of sucess is wheeling and dealing.
Jawboneing, and getting your people off the sidelines, and into the fray, can make the difference between a good idea, and a practicle victory.

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Jonesy

I'd say the lack of experience could be a good thing, if the correct brain-trees are grown to interact with one another accordingly.

RK77

This is an great argument for the criminally minded!

"I am the best criminal in the pack!" Great!

For those who excell at chess one of the problems is that you can fall into habits and lose the ability to see what other alternatives there are to the same old stale strategies that you are losing with! Good players force themselves to innovate! To do things completely new and differently!

Artists often change mediums every few years to broaden their skills and keep themselves from falling into a rut like commercial artists (Thomas Kincaid comes to mind as someone who is dry--stale--predictable).

Hillary is losing! She has NO significant success! EVERY success she points to is Bill Clinton's. The fact that she cannot see this forebodes disaster!

I would not have put Magic Johnson's wife on the basketball court because he was outstanding! It is absurd to think that Hillary should be president because Bill was!

EVERY SINGULAR indication there has EVER been is that Hillary does not have Bill's abilities! The charisma that Hillary whines about was part of what made Bill successful.

ANYONE ---name an exception! She has "lead" a campaign for 1 year and fucked up so badly that the party may well lose the african american vote in november!

What else does she need to do to show just how awful her judgment is? Set fire to the white house?

It is time to call it a day on the crap in washington---the fact that Hillary and her supporters do not have the vision to see how to do that MAKES THE POINT!

CosmicRocker

YA YA. Blah Blah. it was an allegorical ( chess) comparision.
I'm talking power politics - not criminally sociopatic lack of morals.

But whatever. I tried to be non -partisian, and bring up general presidential skills to be sucessful.

You can jump in with your quoteing me, and the Hillary bashing if it pleases you.
have fun argueing with yourself, i made my general points
of what it takes to make it in DC.

Carry on kiddies.

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Cookie

And that is the folly of youth. Lack of experience can be disasterous in such an important position. Our president is the leader of the free world; the job should not be taken lightly by the voters.

A president has to be enough of a generalist to understand something about all the issues. An effective president, that is. Otherwise, he could be easily manipulated by those around him. Not everyone has the best of intentions for our nation, as we have seen all too often. Advisors can be an tremendous advantage, or they can sink the ship.

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Alwayzpeaceful

I liked your answer. Thanks

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