DanS.

And? $60,000 to $100,000 a year for a highschool grad to push a button is too much money



Grossly misread the market? Even if they could have forseen the rise in oil prices it still takes years to design new vehicles...they gave us what we wanted...hell until the shift in demand the Japaese were trying to break into the same market...the unions in conjunction with the protectionism that the govt. gave the industry made them uncompetitivel...but it was the unions asking for that protection


Handouts? no....I don't think that you can equate asking that our money doesn't pay for jobs in other states is a handout.



It's not excuses when its reality...the unions screwed us and so did the govt. Ask any factory worker outside of the unions and you'll find out that they're pretty much detested. Their efforts to restrict the labor supply succeeded...but it cost not only their jobs...but the jobs of those in the support industries.

Heretic

Try to use an example that actually exists.

Yes. Any sensible business person could've seen it. Even as early as 2001 it was clear gas prices would rise, when India and China saw a tremendous increase in car sales as well as overall economic gains and when Jr. talked up his demands for war thye skyrocketed never egain to return to 90's pirces. So anyone dumb enough to hinge their profits on the long term sales of SUV's deserves to go out of business and into bankrupcy.

Actually the only reason vehicle design takes so long is due to their bad business model... as I already stated. Foreign car companies manaed to beat U.S. manufacturers because they could adapt quickly and because they did in fact see the shift in future trends of what consumers wanted and the rising oil prices.

Handouts. Anyone whose been paying attention knows this. Call them "bailouts" if you must, but it's all corporate welfare. This atop their demands for more cuts in taxes there weren't fully paying to begin with.

The unions didn't screw up when demanding their fair share of rising profits. This is the lie anti-union elitists used to excuse further union busting. And you're also dead wrong about how workers feel about unions. I dare say you've no idea what workers would do to obtain their full rights to collective bargaining via unions.

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DanS.

lol...do some research then. I've shown the numbers more times than I care. If you want to ignore it fine.


oh bullshit...Every leader of all the firms was doing the same thing. Noone inside or our was saying a damn thing about it...but I suppose it's easy for you in hindsight



yeah, every manuacturer has a bad business model. I've got a great idea...you've got it figured out...go apply for the CEO position, tell them how to do it...and you can make millions while revolutionizing the industry


I'm not asking for it to got to corporations...it could go to anything and I would be happy...so long as it's not robbing money from here to go somewhere else...especially for handouts..




You don't know...you're not from here...you haven't worked in factories for years like I have so your ramblings from Utah mean nothing in this context.

Heretic

You claimed there's a job requiring nothing more than to get a high school diploma and push a button for $100,000. So, as I said, stick to real examples that actually exist rather than some unscrupulous exec's bullshit claims on paper.

Foresight. They all did it because they expected the right wing in government to hand out corporate welfare when it failed, ergo proving my point as stated.

Evewryone of them that started losing money while giving out golden parachutes to their execs like they were toilet paper.

It's already well known. It causes me to question how much you really know about this.

Except, again, that's not the main problem at work and it never was. It's a myth the extreme right wing fabricated as an campaign gimick. It's easier for corporations to dodge taxes than it ever has been for the last eighty years. Start with the Frontline documentary, Tax Me If You Can and go from there.

I doubt you yourself know given your open hostility for the rights of workers and your constant excusing of anything corporations do against their employees.

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DanS.

I'm going by an interview the Detroit Free Press did on a forktruck driver who made that. Try again.

again...both foreign and domestic didn't see it coming...nor did anybody inside or outside the industry.



This isn't about that...and even if it was it would have been little more than a drop in a bucket.

Care to explain...let me know...I know enough people in the industry you could do me a huge favor...I'll be making millions



You're dodging the point...that it isn't about asking for coroporate welfare...that at the very least we shouldn't be paying for it somewhere else.



If it makes you feel better thinking that...but I'll value your opinion a little more if you spend 10 years working as a laborer in a factory or a foundry.