FYI - current PLEDGED delegate count

itsmeeeeeee · 02-12-2008, 07:33 AM

RealClearPolitics - 2008 Elections - Democratic Delegate Count

as of today (before the potosi primaries) here's where things stand in PLEDGED DELEGATES:

obama 1004
clinton 925

DanS. · 02-12-2008, 07:59 AM

Doesn't anybody have a problem with the fact that Bill Clinton is a Super Delegate? Isn't there a conflict of interest there? Seems like a load of crap to me.

EvilMonkey · 02-12-2008, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRS112

Doesn't anybody have a problem with the fact that Bill Clinton is a Super Delegate? Isn't there a conflict of interest there? Seems like a load of crap to me.

Not really, aren't both Obama and Hillary SG's also? Either way it was a postion he was in long before this whole thing and the rules have been in place forever.

DanS. · 02-12-2008, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericgtr

Not really, aren't both Obama and Hillary SG's also? Either way it was a postion he was in long before this whole thing and the rules have been in place forever.

I have a problem with the whole issue of super delegates all together I guess.

But at the very least...candidates spouses should have to remove themselves...runs contrary to the whole democratic process, that so few people hold that much power over the primary process...

There are 850 super delegates...

jdanton · 02-12-2008, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRS112

I have a problem with the whole issue of super delegates all together I guess.

But at the very least...candidates spouses should have to remove themselves...runs contrary to the whole democratic process, that so few people hold that much power over the primary process...

There are 850 super delegates...

One thing this year is doing is showing us the insanity of the system.

If this comes down to super delegates, and it might, then we have an option, I think, of ways they can reasonably think.

Does Hillary or Obama put together victories in states that would, in November, represent more electors? Can one win the popular vote and the other more delegates?

All of these scenarios could be a problem.

Hopefully, it won't come to that. If things go as expected, he's got a couple of more states coming his way, then Ohio and some other big states where she's expected to do well in.

We'll see.

All I can do at this point is sit back and watch.

DanS. · 02-12-2008, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdanton

One thing this year is doing is showing us the insanity of the system.

If this comes down to super delegates, and it might, then we have an option, I think, of ways they can reasonably think.

Does Hillary or Obama put together victories in states that would, in November, represent more electors? Can one win the popular vote and the other more delegates?

All of these scenarios could be a problem.

Hopefully, it won't come to that. If things go as expected, he's got a couple of more states coming his way, then Ohio and some other big states where she's expected to do well in.

We'll see.

All I can do at this point is sit back and watch.

I believe, looking at the states that Hillary has taken versus the ones that Obama has taken...that Obama would be a better contender in Nov. Hillary has take states like Cali that are solid democrat states...that will go dem no matter who wins the primary...however, Obama has taken more of what would be the "battle ground" states in Nov. Penn. and Ohio are left...which are two huge ones...so that could change...

EvilMonkey · 02-12-2008, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRS112

I have a problem with the whole issue of super delegates all together I guess.

But at the very least...candidates spouses should have to remove themselves...runs contrary to the whole democratic process, that so few people hold that much power over the primary process...

There are 850 super delegates...

Agreed, the purpose of the SG's as a whole seems to be to take control over something the people (or popular vote) should rightfully decide. BTW I think there are just under 800 last I looked, I thought it was like 796?

DanS. · 02-12-2008, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericgtr

Agreed, the purpose of the SG's as a whole seems to be to take control over something the people (or popular vote) should rightfully decide. BTW I think there are just under 800 last I looked, I thought it was like 796?

you're right...I could have sworn I had read 850 somewhere...but either way...it's stupid.

DanS. · 02-12-2008, 09:14 AM

History
After the 1968 Democratic National Convention, the Democratic Party implemented changes in its delegate selection process, based on the work of the McGovern-Fraser Commission. The purpose of the changes was to make the composition of the convention less subject to control by party leaders and more responsive to the votes cast during the campaign for the nomination.

These comprehensive changes left some Democrats believing that the role of party leaders and elected officials had been unduly diminished, weakening the Democratic ticket. In response, the superdelegate rule was instituted after the 1980 election. Its purpose was to accord a greater role to active politicians.[2]

Superdelegate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

EvilMonkey · 02-12-2008, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRS112

History
After the 1968 Democratic National Convention, the Democratic Party implemented changes in its delegate selection process, based on the work of the McGovern-Fraser Commission. The purpose of the changes was to make the composition of the convention less subject to control by party leaders and more responsive to the votes cast during the campaign for the nomination.

These comprehensive changes left some Democrats believing that the role of party leaders and elected officials had been unduly diminished, weakening the Democratic ticket. In response, the superdelegate rule was instituted after the 1980 election. Its purpose was to accord a greater role to active politicians.[2]

Superdelegate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is probably one of the dumbest things they could possibly do, take the votes from the people and put them into the hands of officials. This truly makes me ashamed to be a democrat and goes completely against the entire concept of democracy.

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DanS. Administrator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 7,331 My Mood: Thanks: 98 Thanked 177 Times in 131 Posts	History After the 1968 Democratic National Convention, the Democratic Party implemented changes in its delegate selection process, based on the work of the McGovern-Fraser Commission. The purpose of the changes was to make the composition of the convention less subject to control by party leaders and more responsive to the votes cast during the campaign for the nomination. These comprehensive changes left some Democrats believing that the role of party leaders and elected officials had been unduly diminished, weakening the Democratic ticket. In response, the superdelegate rule was instituted after the 1980 election. Its purpose was to accord a greater role to active politicians.[2] Superdelegate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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