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Old 02-12-2008, 09:19 PM   #21 (permalink)
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i thought super delegates were elected officials and the like, where does a person find a 21 year old super delegate?
No.....only 300+ are politicians etc---the rest are party loyals. A 21 yo was interviewed on Abrams last night.

By the way---a hispanic superdelegate wrote a letter today stating that the fact that Hillary dumped her hispanic campaign lady was giving him "cause to pause". I did not realize the lady was hispanic.
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No.....only 300+ are politicians etc---the rest are party loyals. A 21 yo was interviewed on Abrams last night.

By the way---a hispanic superdelegate wrote a letter today stating that the fact that Hillary dumped her hispanic campaign lady was giving him "cause to pause". I did not realize the lady was hispanic.
i see, i guess that leaves me out since i'm not loyal to any party

i didn't either, but there was someone else who resigned today, maybe that's who he was talking about?
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The name of the campaign manager who was a) fired, b) demoted, c)
reassigned, etc., was Patti Solis Doyle. I heard her referred to as Latino. I would guess the maiden name is Latino.
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Old 02-12-2008, 09:35 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I would advise her to try and appeal to the Democrat base and get some of the socialist vote from Obama.

Promise to raise taxes and surrender to the terrorists. That is what the base wants to hear anyway so just come out and say it.
Either you're serious, or this is more propaganda. Which is worse?
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I'm off to get ready for bed, but I thought I'd leave this before doing so.

If you were advising Hillary on how to win in Texas, Ohio, and maybe Wisconson, as well as Pa, what advise would you give her?
Hillary would have to buy a clue!

She should send all of her supporters on the internet a personal letter asking them to shut the fuck up because they have damaged her TREMENDOUSLY! They needed FACTS to fight with and they have come up short making her look much worse.

She needs to stop lying! This would be KEY! The 35 year thing was over the top and an insult to the educated voter. These sorts of embellishments are being rejected by the electorate.

She cannot afford to attact Obama again unless she is on the rock of gilbralter! These sorts of attacks are being rejected by the electorate. According to my aunt in Philly --- Rendells remark today just upped the african american turnout!

THE DEMOCRATIC ELECTORATE IS REJECTING POLITICS AS USUAL!! It has made no sense for Hillary to keep bragging about how good she was at doing something that the american people think is down and dirty, nasty, skanky and endangering their country! That is NOT rocket science!

You cannot win by telling everyone you think of yourself as the best criminal in the bunch!

Moreover, being the anti-Hope candidate was not such a winning position to stake out! Being the queen of "NO WE CAN'T" showed really really bad judgment!

Bad mouthing the caucus process was another TERRIBLE judgment-- Caucus are attended by the party base---the diehards who would go to the wall for their guy!

Implying negativity regarding "activism" was RIDICULOUSLY TERRIBLE judgment! The Dems are the party of activism! The Dems have made the gains they have due to activism! I frankly could not believe she said it!

Hillary would have to get a REAL BIG CLUE!! She would need to wake up tomorrow with a vision for the future.

OH---and she needs to pull Chelsea off the campaign trail---yesterday! The girl is NOT a public speaker --- she is REALLY awful. Hillary needs to energize people not just put them to sleep!
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The name of the campaign manager who was a) fired, b) demoted, c)
reassigned, etc., was Patti Solis Doyle. I heard her referred to as Latino. I would guess the maiden name is Latino.
Yes! The man referred to her in his letter. This showed EXTREMELY bad judgment on Hillary's part.
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Old 02-12-2008, 09:49 PM   #27 (permalink)
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She cannot afford to attact Obama again unless she is on the rock of gilbralter! These sorts of attacks are being rejected by the electorate. According to my aunt in Philly --- Rendells remark today just upped the african american turnout!
I suspected that would be the case. And I doubt that Rendell's
remarks were made in a vacuum -- I bet Bill and Hillary knew what he was going to say.

I don't want to hear any more about Hillary bashing or Hillary hatred.
She is her own worst enemy.

I am begging to get off MoveOn's mailing list because I have been
receiving crazed letters from David Brock begging everyone to write
to MSNBC to protest David Shuster's remark about Chelsea. Again,
the Clintons controlling the message. As you said, Shuster could have said the same thing about Romney's sons. But Hillary is playing it for 1) sympathy, and 2) a women's lib issue. Now she wants
Shuster fired, not just suspended. Even Barbara Walters told Hillary to let it go.
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I suspected that would be the case. And I doubt that Rendell's
remarks were made in a vacuum -- I bet Bill and Hillary knew what he was going to say.

I don't want to hear any more about Hillary bashing or Hillary hatred.
She is her own worst enemy.

I am begging to get off MoveOn's mailing list because I have been
receiving crazed letters from David Brock begging everyone to write
to MSNBC to protest David Shuster's remark about Chelsea. Again,
the Clintons controlling the message. As you said, Shuster could have said the same thing about Romney's sons. But Hillary is playing it for 1) sympathy, and 2) a women's lib issue. Now she wants
Shuster fired, not just suspended. Even Barbara Walters told Hillary to let it go.

This is exactly what Hillary needs to get a clue about! She is sooooo entrenched in the old style politics that she cannot stop----even when she is hurting herself! God knows she would not see it or stop if she was hurting the people of this nation!

There is nothing clever or savvy about Hillary's behavior. Frankly she reminds me more each day of "stay the course" GW.

It is almost embarassing to watch!
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Old 02-12-2008, 10:57 PM   #29 (permalink)
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To begin with, my disdain for Hillary shouldn't be taken as something that will carry over if she loses. Once I see her starting to slip I will back off and certainly not rub it in.
That's exactly it right there....that's I've directed so much her way...she was the frontrunner...and as such she deserves alot more scrutiny.

Not only that...but ALL democrats should be criticized for having similar voting records...the party needs to move on past those mistakes....but it can only do that if the members who screwed up are willing to admit it and apologize...so far she hasn't...which meams that I can't be certain that she wouldn't do the same thing again.

For me, the next few years will determine if I abandon the Dems all together....If they go back to the same old shit again because they think the people will forgive them no matter what they will lose all Independent voters....

Oh....and they really need to give up their pandering on economic issues...it looks really silly to all of us who aren't far left on those issues...
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That's exactly it right there....that's I've directed so much her way...she was the frontrunner...and as such she deserves alot more scrutiny.

Not only that...but ALL democrats should be criticized for having similar voting records...the party needs to move on past those mistakes....but it can only do that if the members who screwed up are willing to admit it and apologize...so far she hasn't...which meams that I can't be certain that she wouldn't do the same thing again.

For me, the next few years will determine if I abandon the Dems all together....If they go back to the same old shit again because they think the people will forgive them no matter what they will lose all Independent voters....

Oh....and they really need to give up their pandering on economic issues...it looks really silly to all of us who aren't far left on those issues...
If you are feeling that way then I won't mention how many dems voted to give the telecoms imunity today..........

It is apparent that people think that the argument that Bush is an "evil doer" and we all must ban against him to support anyone but a republican ignores the fact that even many registered dems are independent thinkers!

I do not for one minute believe that the repukes have cornered the market on dangerous, criminal stupidity!

I also am not sold on the notion that Hillary is less lethal than a repuke.

Someone would need to be making a case around here for how Hillary is far better than the repukes but unfortunately the only argument being made around here is that anyone who is for Obama automatically must hate Hillary, be a cult member, a sexist, a reverse racist, a revolutionary or (OMG!!!) an activist!

I am at the point that there must not be a case to make for Hillary or SOMEONE would be trying to make it----Hillary sure isn't!
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