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Old 02-13-2008, 08:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Health care and jobs

I believe the first step in getting more good jobs in this country is getting universal health insurance.

IF we can get to some kind of universal plan, we can ultimately move toward a difference in how the premiums are paid, which will get health insuarnce of the bargaining table.

This could mean that whatever percentage of GM's profits now go toward healthcare premiums would go into a central 'pot' from which all premiums are paid, while individuals have a wider choice of plans to choose from.

We can lower other insurance premiums by not needing medical coverage in those policies.

Many benefits can come from universal health care over the next few years, but it has to be universal for any of these other changes to follow.
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Old 02-13-2008, 09:13 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I believe the first step in getting more good jobs in this country is getting universal health insurance.

IF we can get to some kind of universal plan, we can ultimately move toward a difference in how the premiums are paid, which will get health insuarnce of the bargaining table.

This could mean that whatever percentage of GM's profits now go toward healthcare premiums would go into a central 'pot' from which all premiums are paid, while individuals have a wider choice of plans to choose from.

We can lower other insurance premiums by not needing medical coverage in those policies.

Many benefits can come from universal health care over the next few years, but it has to be universal for any of these other changes to follow.
Many businesses are finally starting to see that our current system is a disaster. They understand, finally, that they are being damaged by an insurance industry that is bleeding them dry, and causing them to lose their competitive edge in the world economy. So they have the option of sucking it up and losing even more money, halting company based health insurance and dealing with the productivity and moral loss of a sicker work force, or embracing some form of universal care.

What would you chose?
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Old 02-13-2008, 09:30 AM   #3 (permalink)
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This could mean that whatever percentage of GM's profits now go toward healthcare premiums would go into a central 'pot' from which all premiums are paid, while individuals have a wider choice of plans to choose from.
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GM's $38bn shortfall is highest for industry FT.com / Companies / US & Canada - GM's $38bn shortfall is highest for industry
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Old 02-13-2008, 09:37 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Or better yet, why not teach people how to care for their own health? Tending to a garden is like micro-managing a forest. Tending to your brain is like micro-managing a garden. Pain tells you a tree in your brain is dying, while pleasure tells you it is growing. Fear keeps you cautious, so you do not accidentally remove or grow the wrong plants.

Everyone should take care of their own brain, and quite possibly never let anyone else inside. It would be like letting someone in your garden... maybe they kill plants you want or need; or maybe they rearrange things, causing confusion.

It is easy enough to take care of your own mental-health, once you learn what emotions are, and how your brain works.

On the physical side, perhaps the right regiment of proper eating and exercising would fulfill most health-care needs. Maybe businesses could include a 30-minute exercise during the work day?

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If you get the insurance companies out of the picture then all those people lose their jobs. Which is not a good start on making more good jobs in this country. You replace some of them with government jobs, which means it will run like the post office and you will pay higher taxes for it. Not to mention the quality of care will go down.

I want all you liberals crying for national health care to go someplace like France or Bolivia where they have it already next time you get sick. See if you really think national health care is such a good idea.
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If you get the insurance companies out of the picture then all those people lose their jobs. Which is not a good start on making more good jobs in this country. You replace some of them with government jobs, which means it will run like the post office and you will pay higher taxes for it. Not to mention the quality of care will go down.

I want all you liberals crying for national health care to go someplace like France or Bolivia where they have it already next time you get sick. See if you really think national health care is such a good idea.
i dont live in Bolivia or France, but up here in Canada, healthcare is a real blessing. the quality of care is exceptional
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i dont live in Bolivia or France, but up here in Canada, healthcare is a real blessing. the quality of care is exceptional
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I believe the first step in getting more good jobs in this country is getting universal health insurance.

IF we can get to some kind of universal plan, we can ultimately move toward a difference in how the premiums are paid, which will get health insuarnce of the bargaining table.

This could mean that whatever percentage of GM's profits now go toward healthcare premiums would go into a central 'pot' from which all premiums are paid, while individuals have a wider choice of plans to choose from.

We can lower other insurance premiums by not needing medical coverage in those policies.

Many benefits can come from universal health care over the next few years, but it has to be universal for any of these other changes to follow.
so which do you want, universal health insurance or universal health care?
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If you want to better visualize the way the brain functions, it is like a series of seeds, with 4-dimensional root systems. The roots are like thin, electric-vines, some of them inter-twining around one another. You can attach a vine to a bodily function (this is what happened with Pavlov's dog - the vine grew more and more each time, until the bell ringing vine connected to the drooling button).
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