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Old 02-13-2008, 09:38 PM   #11 (permalink)
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See, I knew y'all would twist that into whatever made it sound the worst.
No twisting was required. Telling us Obama's inexperience was dangeorus is cynical. Telling us that he's not specific [when in fact he's far more specific than Hillary ever was] is cynical. Telling us that he couldn't possibly be the nice guy we see is cynical.

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Itsmee was asking me why I don't trust charisma, and I gave her some examples of extremely charismatic leaders in the past who weren't what they sold themselves as.
You reached for the rare few worst examples when most charismatic leaders were good leaders not evil. Three of the four on Mt. Rushmore [ Washington, Lincoln, T. Roosevelt] as well as Theodore's nephew, Franklin Roosevelt; John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton [not to mention John Edwards]. So your desperate flailing for the worst examples was the peak of cynicism.

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THAT DOESN'T EQUATE TO ME COMPARING HIM TO HILTER FOR PETE'S SAKE! That would be RETARDED
An d yet you did it, ergo...

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- Obama's never done anything whatsoever that's Hilter-like, quite the contrary. But you know all this, you're just dishonestly spinning it to demonize me and anyone else that doesn't despise Clinton for your bogus reasons.
Something else that tends to escape those with short attention spans. Hitler was never elected. He was appointed to a position roughly similar to the VP spot AFTER Hindenberg was elected. Then, when Hindenberg died of a heart attack, hitler was bumped up. So there was no ride for popularism to offer Hitler.

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Sheesh, I'll be glad when this blood bath of an election is over. But I have a feeling it's going to be a duel to the death, damn the party, damn the best interests of the country. Neither of them will let go.
Tghis blood bath was initiated by Hillary. The reason the Alien queen and her drones got so nasty is because Obama wouldn't roll over on command like the rest of the field. Proof positive that she's not capable of winning a real contest in the general election.
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Old 02-13-2008, 09:48 PM   #12 (permalink)
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No twisting was required. Telling us Obama's inexperience was dangeorus is cynical. Telling us that he's not specific [when in fact he's far more specific than Hillary ever was] is cynical. Telling us that he couldn't possibly be the nice guy we see is cynical.
Hold on there sparky, when the hell did I say any of that? Talk about spinning and twisting. You must be pretzel shaped.

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You reached for the rare few worst examples when most charismatic leaders were good leaders not evil. Three of the four on Mt. Rushmore [ Washington, Lincoln, T. Roosevelt] as well as Theodore's nephew, Franklin Roosevelt; John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton [not to mention John Edwards]. So your desperate flailing for the worst examples was the peak of cynicism.

"The rare few"? The Kennedy's didn't live long enough to do anything monumental. They were good people, for sure, but so was Carter, and I don't know whether I'd say he was charismatic, but he certainly wasn't effective as president. And yeah, Bill Clinton oozes charisma, but I thought you detested him now? I'm not "flailing," your inventing nonsense.


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An d yet you did it, ergo...
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Something else that tends to escape those with short attention spans. Hitler was never elected. He was appointed to a position roughly similar to the VP spot AFTER Hindenberg was elected. Then, when Hindenberg died of a heart attack, hitler was bumped up. So there was no ride for popularism to offer Hitler.
Are you kidding me? Hitler had the German population hanging on his every word and willing to buy whatever he was selling enmasse. I could get my 16 yo son to give you a lecture on that topic.

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Tghis blood bath was initiated by Hillary. The reason the Alien queen and her drones got so nasty is because Obama wouldn't roll over on command like the rest of the field. Proof positive that she's not capable of winning a real contest in the general election.
At least you haven't lost your wonderful flare with words. I'll give you that.

Now, I'm going to have to continue pummeling you tomorrow, cause I have to wash my hair.

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Hold on there sparky, when the hell did I say any of that? Talk about spinning and twisting. You must be pretzel shaped.




"The rare few"? The Kennedy's didn't live long enough to do anything monumental. They were good people, for sure, but so was Carter, and I don't know whether I'd say he was charismatic, but he certainly wasn't effective as president. And yeah, Bill Clinton oozes charisma, but I thought you detested him now? I'm not "flailing," your inventing nonsense.




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Are you kidding me? Hitler had the German population hanging on his every word and willing to buy whatever he was selling enmasse. I could get my 16 yo son to give you a lecture on that topic.



At least you haven't lost your wonderful flare with words. I'll give you that.

Now, I'm going to have to continue pummeling you tomorrow, cause I have to wash my hair.
Jesus, whatever mental meltdown disease Hillary has much be catchy. I'll let you have the last word so you feel good.
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If he endorses Hillary he will be an absolute hypocrite and lose a lot of people's respect. He's said some very nasty things about her in the past, far worse than anything he's ever said about Obama.
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If he endorses Hillary he will be an absolute hypocrite and lose a lot of people's respect. He's said some very nasty things about her in the past, far worse than anything he's ever said about Obama.
That's true. He has been harder on her, no question about it. But then, how would you feel if Obama picked Clinton as a running mate? That may be a real posibility, and in my mind it would be the best of both worlds. If this deadlock continues they're going to have to work something out. I figure party elders (or as we now know them, Super Delegates) are probably already applying major pressure to both of them not to drag this thing out beyond March 4th.

Regardless of the pounding they've all been giving each other, they're really all on the same side, and though Edwards' platform had the most differences, they're policies are all pretty similar.

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That's true. He has been harder on her, no question about it. But then, how would you feel if Obama picked Clinton as a running mate?
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Old 02-14-2008, 02:38 AM   #17 (permalink)
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If he endorses Hillary he will be an absolute hypocrite and lose a lot of people's respect. He's said some very nasty things about her in the past, far worse than anything he's ever said about Obama.
If he endorses Obama, he's a hypocrite.

If we talk policies, specific stuff, Edwards' proposals were far more closely alligned to Hillary's than to Obama's.

Pointing that out is the only way his endorsement will mean anything, no?

When he sided with Obama in attacking Hillary it was much less issue based than when he sided with her in attacking him, was it not?

For example, he got on her for drug company donations, and IMPLIED she was corrupt, but wouldn't actually say she was when specifically asked, and couldn't point out a single vote she had cast in their favor.

When he joined her in attacking Obama, the argument was over Obama's healthcare proposal with would leave 15 million not covered.

Both Edwards and Hillary believed it had to be universal, not just almost universal.
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How are you going to feel is she wins by large margins in the coming big states and ends up with more popular votes, more delegates, etc. and gets the nomination?

That's still very possible.

Why is it that people supporting a man who's basic platform is "uniting" us are so opposed to uniting behind her if she's the nominee?

Isn't that a contradiction of beliefs?
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How are you going to feel is she wins by large margins in the coming big states and ends up with more popular votes, more delegates, etc. and gets the nomination?

That's still very possible.

Why is it that people supporting a man who's basic platform is "uniting" us are so opposed to uniting behind her if she's the nominee?

Isn't that a contradiction of beliefs?
You now sound like the Huckabee team, praying for a miracle. He will not pick her for a running mate, that would invoke the same attacks from the right that he is going to avoid. She would need him to win, but he doesn't need her. He gets her demo, she isn't cutting into his.
I know that there is a lot of disbelief on the Hillary side because it was a given at the beginning of this campaign that she would be the nominee. For you it was impossible to imagine a black man transcending race. We are uniting just not behind your candidate. I hope Hillary does do what is best for the nation when she does not do what it takes in Tx or Ohio. It is the only thing she can do to salvage her dignity.
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