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Old 03-05-2008, 03:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Obama to sharpen criticism

Obama to sharpen criticism of Clinton By TOM RAUM, Associated Press Writer

CHICAGO - Democratic Sen. Barack Obama on Wednesday blamed his primary defeats in Ohio and Texas on rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's criticism and news coverage that he argued benefited her at his expense.

The presidential candidate said he planned to do more in the days ahead to raise doubts about his opponent's claims to foreign policy and other Washington experience. In a television ad that her campaign credits with helping her win, she portrayed herself as most prepared to handle an international crisis.

"What exactly is this foreign policy experience?" Obama asked mockingly. "Was she negotiating treaties? Was she handling crises? The answer is no."

Clinton, who was asked in TV interviews Wednesday about her national security qualifications, ticked off a series events in which she played a role, including peace talks in Northern Ireland, the Kosovo refugee crisis and standing up for women's rights in China. She also cited her work on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Obama's campaign immediately delivered on his pledge to criticize Clinton. Aides distributed a memo and held a conference call to question why she won't release her tax returns. The Clinton campaign responded with a statement e-mailed to reporters while they were on the Obama call that said the Clintons' returns since they left the White House will be made public around April 15.

Obama reflected on the losses that broke a 12-contest winning streak in a talk with reporters aboard his campaign plane as he returned to his hometown of Chicago from San Antonio.

"There's no doubt that Senator Clinton went very negative over the last week," Obama said. He said the Clinton campaign's multiple attacks "had some impact" on the election results "particularly in the context where many of you in the press corps had been persuaded that you had been too hard on her and too soft on me."

"Complaining about the refs apparently worked a little bit this week," he said, equating members of the news media with referees in a sporting event.

"So hopefully in addition to my call to Lorne Michaels, hopefully now people feel like everything's evened out and we can start actually covering the campaign properly," he said.

Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki said the reference to Michaels, producer of the television comedy show "Saturday Night Live," was a joke. The show has recently featured skits in which actors portraying reporters lob softball questions at an Obama impersonator and hardball ones at a Clinton character. Clinton herself appeared on the show last weekend. Obama was on the show last November.

Obama also complained about what he said was "the notion that somehow all the states I win somehow are not bellwether states but the states that Senator Clinton wins, those are the critical ones."

He said it was "a strange way of keeping score and I don't think it makes much sense."

As to tactics ahead, Obama said that Clinton "made a series of arguments on why she should be a superior candidate. I think it's important to examine that argument."

"We're happy to join the debate, If that's the debate they want to have," Obama said, noting Clinton's efforts to portray him as lacking her level of experience. "In the coming weeks, we will join her in that argument."
Obama also brushed off a question about a joint ticket with Clinton. "We are just focused on winning this nomination," he said. "I think it is premature to start talking about a joint ticket."

Obama had nothing on his public schedule Wednesday and Thursday. Friday, he flies to Wyoming to campaign and was also expected to go to Mississippi over the weekend — sites of the next two Democratic contests.

Meanwhile, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe acknowledged that Clinton "had a good night last night in terms of the raw vote." But he said that she made such shallow gains in picking up new delegates that, proportionately, she was worse off in terms of overtaking Obama's delegate count than before.

"There were a lot of delegates at stake last night and she faced a big deficit," he said. Plouffe said she needed substantial pickups "to make the math work" and keep from falling farther behind. "That did not come to fruition," he said. The number needed to overtake Obama keeps rising, with only a dwindling number of delegates left.
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so we see now that Obama will act like the politician that he always has been.

Nothing like loseing to take ur head out of the clouds.

May the better politician win.
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Old 03-05-2008, 03:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Obama to sharpen criticism of Clinton By TOM RAUM, Associated Press Writer

CHICAGO - Democratic Sen. Barack Obama on Wednesday blamed his primary defeats in Ohio and Texas on rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's criticism and news coverage that he argued benefited her at his expense.

The presidential candidate said he planned to do more in the days ahead to raise doubts about his opponent's claims to foreign policy and other Washington experience. In a television ad that her campaign credits with helping her win, she portrayed herself as most prepared to handle an international crisis.

"What exactly is this foreign policy experience?" Obama asked mockingly. "Was she negotiating treaties? Was she handling crises? The answer is no."

Clinton, who was asked in TV interviews Wednesday about her national security qualifications, ticked off a series events in which she played a role, including peace talks in Northern Ireland, the Kosovo refugee crisis and standing up for women's rights in China. She also cited her work on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Obama's campaign immediately delivered on his pledge to criticize Clinton. Aides distributed a memo and held a conference call to question why she won't release her tax returns. The Clinton campaign responded with a statement e-mailed to reporters while they were on the Obama call that said the Clintons' returns since they left the White House will be made public around April 15.

Obama reflected on the losses that broke a 12-contest winning streak in a talk with reporters aboard his campaign plane as he returned to his hometown of Chicago from San Antonio.

"There's no doubt that Senator Clinton went very negative over the last week," Obama said. He said the Clinton campaign's multiple attacks "had some impact" on the election results "particularly in the context where many of you in the press corps had been persuaded that you had been too hard on her and too soft on me."

"Complaining about the refs apparently worked a little bit this week," he said, equating members of the news media with referees in a sporting event.

"So hopefully in addition to my call to Lorne Michaels, hopefully now people feel like everything's evened out and we can start actually covering the campaign properly," he said.

Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki said the reference to Michaels, producer of the television comedy show "Saturday Night Live," was a joke. The show has recently featured skits in which actors portraying reporters lob softball questions at an Obama impersonator and hardball ones at a Clinton character. Clinton herself appeared on the show last weekend. Obama was on the show last November.

Obama also complained about what he said was "the notion that somehow all the states I win somehow are not bellwether states but the states that Senator Clinton wins, those are the critical ones."

He said it was "a strange way of keeping score and I don't think it makes much sense."

As to tactics ahead, Obama said that Clinton "made a series of arguments on why she should be a superior candidate. I think it's important to examine that argument."

"We're happy to join the debate, If that's the debate they want to have," Obama said, noting Clinton's efforts to portray him as lacking her level of experience. "In the coming weeks, we will join her in that argument."
Obama also brushed off a question about a joint ticket with Clinton. "We are just focused on winning this nomination," he said. "I think it is premature to start talking about a joint ticket."

Obama had nothing on his public schedule Wednesday and Thursday. Friday, he flies to Wyoming to campaign and was also expected to go to Mississippi over the weekend — sites of the next two Democratic contests.

Meanwhile, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe acknowledged that Clinton "had a good night last night in terms of the raw vote." But he said that she made such shallow gains in picking up new delegates that, proportionately, she was worse off in terms of overtaking Obama's delegate count than before.

"There were a lot of delegates at stake last night and she faced a big deficit," he said. Plouffe said she needed substantial pickups "to make the math work" and keep from falling farther behind. "That did not come to fruition," he said. The number needed to overtake Obama keeps rising, with only a dwindling number of delegates left.
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so we see now that Obama will act like the politician that he always has been.

Nothing like loseing to take ur head out of the clouds.

May the better politician win.
You seem to be totally obsessed with this notion that "politics" MUST be defined by the sort of crap that your candidate does.

You seem to use the success at being the downest and dirtiest dog in the pack as a bellweather for a president!

I am now curious----do you value these things because that is all Hillary has going for her?

I know some pretty tough crack whores who could run circles around Hillary's whine, lie, and spin routine. Maybe they should run for office.

By your standards they would certainly make great candidates!
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The Cult of Obama keeps saying that the Hildabeast's dirty tactics makes them sick and I agree.

But Obama's whining makes me sick too. What about you guys?
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so we see now that Obama will act like the politician that he always has been.
So far he's by far been the classier of the two, if that's how he's always been then I'll take it.

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Nothing like loseing to take ur head out of the clouds.

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It took Hillary 11 straight losses to get her head out the clouds so it looks like Obama is much faster learner.
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The Cult of Obama keeps saying that the Hildabeast's dirty tactics makes them sick and I agree.

But Obama's whining makes me sick too. What about you guys?
I guess what you are saying is that you can't think of anything good to say about your candidate?
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So far he's by far been the classier of the two, if that's how he's always been then I'll take it.

It took Hillary 11 straight losses to get her head out the clouds so it looks like Obama is much faster learner.
I don't think you can ever say Hillary had her head in the clouds.
she's grounded, and focusing on solutions to the problems, facing the downtrodden in this country.

The point of this thread wan't to denigrate Hillary or Obama -
just to show that they are both politicians, and both willing to do whatever it takes to win.

That's not a bad thing in my mind.
But let's have no more talk that Obama is somehow above the fray.

"nice guys finish last" They both seem to agree on that.
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You seem to be totally obsessed with this notion that "politics" MUST be defined by the sort of crap that your candidate does.

You seem to use the success at being the downest and dirtiest dog in the pack as a bellweather for a president!

I am now curious----do you value these things because that is all Hillary has going for her?

I know some pretty tough crack whores who could run circles around Hillary's whine, lie, and spin routine. Maybe they should run for office.

By your standards they would certainly make great candidates!
Not at all Rk;
Simply pointing out that when it comes to winning in politics, politicians - and they are both that - will do what they have to to win
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I dont want to see Barack Obama stoop to Hillary Clinton's level, but in the end keeping Hillary Clinton out of the White House is what matters.

Whatever it takes.
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Not at all Rk;
Simply pointing out that when it comes to winning in politics, politicians - and they are both that - will do what they have to to win
They only will stoop as low as the voters let them. Vote against smear campaigns and attack ads and fear ads and they will stop.

Accept your part in this.
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The gloves are off so both sides need to stop bitching about "attacks". Hillary Clinton suceeded in turning the democratic primary into slash and burn politics, and Obama will adapt to the new game she has molded and he will win.

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