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Old 03-10-2008, 09:19 AM   #21 (permalink)
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JD's just a right winger in donkey's clothing. He has burnt up his credibility around here.
If you think that's anywhere near accurate, you have serious problems.

If you've read my posts over the years, you'd remember that, until G.W., I thought Reagan the worst president we ever had.
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Old 03-10-2008, 09:21 AM   #22 (permalink)
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You're not getting the point. If a democrat is pointing this out, do you not think that in the general election the republicans will be broadcasting that video and using it every chance they get against Obama? It doesn't matter when it was made, that is not the point. Things are manipulated all the time, this wont' be any different.

Honestly, you people have tunnel vision and are incapable of seeing beyond your own opinions.
Thank you. I thought it was quite obvious that this video will be a major problem for Obama in the general election, as will the lack of caucuses.
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Old 03-10-2008, 09:21 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Obama supporters seem to believe he can walk on water and will be very disappointed when they learn he can't.
Tells me just how jaded your belief is about Obama. How does it feel to be so wrong?
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true enough - they're still trying to bring up old Clinton stuff.
and this video specifically says "i'm not ready"

Still; Who knows how the race will play our for ANY candidate at this time.??
We just have to go thru this.
This is true. One of my 'faults" within my family and among my friends is my tendency in any endeavor to look for the "weak link."

I look for the knot that coming loose, for example. If we're making travel plans, I'm the one who looks for those area/times when we'll have commuter traffic jams and plan around them.

I'm the one who taught my daughters that the FIRST step in doing anything is to make sure everything you need is at hand.

It is never beneficial to assume everything will go smoothly. It's a much better idea, I think, in a campaign to figure out what there is the other guy can throw at you, and throw it at yourself first.

The reason this video is going to be a problem is Obama can't address it in any good way. Remember, his big thing is his "perfect" judgment. He gets everything right the first time. This video digs DEEP into that concept.

He's human. He made a mistake, either when he spoke those words or when he decided those words were not correct. Bad, very bad, for his image.

He'll get my vote. I've posted that many times, but I think he's going to have problems in the general he didn't have in the primaries.
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in 2004, barack obama said he was not running for president...

in 2004, john mccain said he was not running for president...

in 2001, hillary clinton said she would never run for president...

they say these things all the time and then most of the end up running anyway...this is not really an issue
Everyone who's run for president said they wouldn't run. ONLY Obama said he didn't know enough to be president.

Keep your head in the sand if you wish.
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Tells me just how jaded your belief is about Obama. How does it feel to be so wrong?
It will feel great if I'm wrong. How will you feel if I'm right and mcCain is sworn in come '09?

I have no jaded belief about Obama, I just have a disdain for his supporters who cannot accept any criticism of their saint.

Anyone who questions HOW he plans to do some of the things he's promised, like get kids to prefer homework to video games, gets hammered for asking.

If one points out that there are racists in this country, and most of them are republicans, one gets called a racist.

This is fast leaving, although it seems like an eternity, a race between Obama and Clinton and becoming a race between Obama and McCain.

The general election will be a totally different dynamic than the primaries.

Obama's free ride from the press has ended.

I am cognizant that it's hard for his supporters to believe he has any flaws, but he does, and they will be held against him in the general election.

Where we disagree, my friend, is that I'd rather get ALL of them out now so that they will be "old news" in NOvember.

These things aren't like your teeth, ignoring them doesn't make them go away.
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Old 03-10-2008, 09:41 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Everyone who's run for president said they wouldn't run. ONLY Obama said he didn't know enough to be president.

Keep your head in the sand if you wish.
He was being modest.

Your head is so buried in the sand it is amazing that you are able to breathe.

You refuse to acknowledge Bill Bradley's comments, the Peter Paul vs.
Clinton lawsuit that is awaiting trial, the recent claims of a Hillary supporter that Hillary's campaign ran up $3,000 on her credit card,
the fact that Hillary Clinton planted the dishonest Obama/Canada/Nafta story days before the Ohio primary, the fact
that Hillary Clinton lied to Tim Russert during the last debate about her intent to disclose tax returns and Clinton White House logs.

I can't find that Obama YouTube video. Please, please post it again so that we can see how lame it is.

No one here believes that you will vote for Obama, so please, please quite saying that in every post you make.
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Tells me just how jaded your belief is about Obama. How does it feel to be so wrong?
That's what they told me in Nov. 1991 when I said Bush wouldn't get re-elected.

That's what my in-laws said in May of '03 when I said Saddam had no WMD's.

I've been called "wrong" a lot, and a lot worse. Mostly, history has proven me correct.
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It will feel great if I'm wrong. How will you feel if I'm right and mcCain is sworn in come '09?

I have no jaded belief about Obama, I just have a disdain for his supporters who cannot accept any criticism of their saint.

Anyone who questions HOW he plans to do some of the things he's promised, like get kids to prefer homework to video games, gets hammered for asking.

If one points out that there are racists in this country, and most of them are republicans, one gets called a racist.

This is fast leaving, although it seems like an eternity, a race between Obama and Clinton and becoming a race between Obama and McCain.

The general election will be a totally different dynamic than the primaries.

Obama's free ride from the press has ended.

I am cognizant that it's hard for his supporters to believe he has any flaws, but he does, and they will be held against him in the general election.

Where we disagree, my friend, is that I'd rather get ALL of them out now so that they will be "old news" in NOvember.

These things aren't like your teeth, ignoring them doesn't make them go away.
Again, here is what Obama said about video games:

We're going to have to parent better, and turn off the television set, and put the video games away, and instill a sense of excellence in our children, and that's going to take some time.


Could it be that all your family members who would be unable to vote in caucuses because they work shift jobs (unskilled labor) might be
well-served to take Obama's gentle advice -- that homework should come before video games? He is saying that parents must
care enough about their children to demand that homework come before video games. Get it? He says it will take time.

And again, why in the name of all that is holy are you so obsessed about "getting everything out there" about Obama, yet you refuse
to even acknowledge 16 years of Clinton scandals that are very much out there -- and that the GOP will make sure we re-live if your dream comes true and Hillary steals the nomination.
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It will feel great if I'm wrong. How will you feel if I'm right and mcCain is sworn in come '09?
hillary, mccain, meh...there is no difference other than gender and mccain was in the armed forces...or have you not been paying attention to the glowing endorsements hillary has been giving to her friend, mccain?
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