Mithrall

Suppose, Just suppose that Hillary Clinton were to get the Democratic nomination and then somehow managed to win the general election. Now let us suppose she goes overseas in an attempt to repair our reputation to with the rest of the world,(Pretty important after 8 years of President Bush) Let's say someplace like Bosnia. Exactly how is it gonna look to have Hillary Clinton as our face to the world when the world has seen her caught in bald faced lies? Especially a lie involving their country. A lot of Bosnians feel insulted by her lie, and rightly so. They were the ones who faced sniper fire daily for years. They were the ones who made the hard choices for peace. They have a right to, and a need to, take pride in that.
Now I will admit, Bosnia would be an unlikely stop in the first round of visits the new U.S. President will need to make to our allies in Europe in order to mend fences. However, the countries of Europe are very open to each other and even share a common currency. This story is getting alot of play in Bosnia and I would imagine it is getting quite a bit of play in the rest of Europe as well. This isn't the only fib Hillary has told that people in Europe might find a bit insulting. Her claim to have been intricately involved in the Irish peace process may even be worse. Jamie Rubin, an advisor in Hillary Clinton's campaign actually called Northern Ireland’s former First Minister David Trimble(a Nobel Peace Prize winner, a prize he won for actually having been intricately involved in the Irish peace process) a sexist "crankpot" for having the temerity to call Hillary Clinton's own claims of involvement in the Irish peace process a "wee bit silly". Great Britain is our staunchest ally and I just don't see this episode as playing very well over there.

Once George W Bush's two disastrous terms in office are finally over, we are gonna need a president with a measure of credibility. Hillary Clinton doesn't have it here and she certainly doesn't have it in Europe.

Vicariously I

Your talking about reality.

A place unfit for any die-hard Hillary supporter.

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ibex

I'm with Vicariously on this one Mithrall. You make a completely logical argument, so how on Earth can you expect any of her more emphatic supporters here to respond?

CosmicRocker

Mitchell gives her some credit for helping bring the Irish women together, but not an "instrumental role".

I am trying to asnwer this seriously, as per the thread title.

all this stuff is important to the campaign, but would be quickly forgotten
( like the Rev Wright stuff on Obama) once a president is in office.
Then it becomes more about the Presidency in action, rather than background bios before the election.

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aloysious

As much as I don't like Hillary, I have to agree with you here.
I remember there was a lot of relief when Bill left office with his pardons, Monica, his many white lies. GWB had a clean slate, and part of his selling point was to "bring dignity back to the White House". Not many really considered him to be a stupid, arrogant cowboy. Then it became the presidency in action.

Problem with Hillary, is that lying is part of her fabric. Lying is what she does, even if it hurts her. She has always lied, pandered, embellished, exaggerated and she undoubtedly always will.
It may not even exclude her from being an effective president. It didn't hurt Bill too much. You just won't see any federal buildings, naval vessels or airports named after him.
It's just something her supporters and most New Yorkers seem to be OK with and would be a source of constant irritation to her detractors.

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RK77

You forgot the China lie which I guess is not sitting well with them either.

This is interesting:
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March 7, 2008 at 08:56:47

the truth about Hillary speaking for woman's rights in China

by siriusss Page 1 of 2 page(s)


I have noticed with great interest that Sen. Clinton speaks glowingly of her foreign policy experience and to prove it she brings up how she spoke for womens rights in China. She never pushes that too loudly possibly assuming that no one will remember exactly what happened at that time or has any connection to China that will expose her ridiculous story.

Let me fill you in.


I assume Mrs. Clinton is talking about the Beijing Woman's Conference in September of 1995.

My husband and had a company in Guangzhou China and we were involved in exposing the traficking of women and children for sexual exploitation.

Our group had been personally invited to talk to that conference by people in Beijing,,most especially one of the Vice Premiers of China, Wu Yi. Wu Yi was considered the second most powerful WOMAN in the world.

So my husband and I worked with women who had been in prostitution since the age of 8 to get them to talk on stage about what the situation was like.

Then in the June before the conference an Activist named Harry Wu was arrested entering China. Wu had videos of forced organ harvesting of Chinese prisoners.

The Clintons immediately jumped on the bandwagon to say that Mrs. Clinton would not be attending the conference until Harry Wu was released.

Well Harry Wu was surprisingly released and deported just in time for Mrs. Ckinton to change her mind.

It was all very sudden no one outside China knew why Wu had been released. Someday I will explain what happened but I do not want to stray from my point.

Mrs. Clinton rushed to speak and a big deal was made by the Clintons about woman's rights in China. We were bumped from the program to make room for her. Our women whom we had promised protection for speaking out, vanished into their under world.

And Hillary blathered about an issue from an AMERICAN perspective.

It changed nothing that would not have changed on it's own.


Rest of the article/blog.
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There seems to be no lie beneath Hillary!

What does that leave for claims of foriegn experience and changing the world?

poetrychic

by us!...i think that's a key point to remember, once we have a new president, most of the american people will forget all about what transpired in the campaign season...hillary's foreign experience lies though, would follow her throughout the world...i think you are applying what happens here to the global stage and i just don't think it will play out quite the same....i doubt the people of bosnia will just forget that hillary lied about sniper fire when she visited, should she visit there again...the same holds true for the other countries involved in her quaint fabrications...

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CosmicRocker

Bosnia has affection for the Clintons, since Bill saved their asses.
The rest of the world is not caught up in the minutia,
they just want Uncle Sam to send money.

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Environment Man

Finally, a voice of reason.