MarkMiller

According to the AP's new calculations neither can win with pledged delegates alone. Super delegates will make the decision. It's appears to be the only way.

CosmicRocker

Reality: how badly will Obama lose in Pa.?
Will he ever get the white vote? he can't win the general against McCain wthout it?

Reality:
Fl. and Mi. are unresolved, will we go to the covention for a credentials fight?

Fantasy: this race is over.

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jdanton

This is why I spend so little time here these days. No offense, but this is idiotic.

No one, myself included, is going to argue that Hillary has much of a change of winning the nomination. However, a lot of shit can happen between now and then.

Rev Wright can continue to be a problem Obama can't separate himself from. Other problems we haven't dreamed of may surface. Polls can change dramatically over a few weeks.

Let us not slap the voters who are still to vote in the face. Let's let them vote, so they'll feel part of the process.

It is possible, if not probable, that by the time all the votes have been cast, Obama may have some serious problems we haven't even imagined yet and will be viewed as a candidate who cannot win the general election.

That is why we have superdelegates who, in my humble opinion, should remain silent during the voting process rather than try to influence it.

These candidates also have two debates scheduled. My bet is they will both use those debates as a means of drawing the party together for the November election.

If Hillary were to drop out sooner, those debates would disappear.

Many people on this board are insulting, unpleasant, and seem to have an attitude that anyone who holds an opinion different than theirs is somehow unworthy of conversation.

It is long past time to argue Hillary vs Obama and focus on November. It is time to see how this unfolds, support the democratic candidate in November, whomever that turns out to be, and put our country above our egos.

The reality is that Obama will get this nomination unless something comes along, like a Spitzer or Craig moment, that totally destroys his chances of winning in November.

If such an incident does surface, then the superdelegates should DO THEIR JOB.

Their job includes determining if the people who voted in February knew then what is known now, would they have voted differently?

The reality is this campaign is NOT over. Shit can happen that is out of everyone's control.

Why are the Obama people so afraid of this continuing until everyone has voted? Neither will have won enough delegates at that time to put them over the top.

If the superdelegates "follow the will of their voters" won't Kerry and Kennedy have to give their vote to Hillary? How does the math look when all of that is rearranged?

Aren't the superdelegates, by definition, uncommitted?

They will not give Hillary the nomination if Obama's ahead in delegates and the popular vote, unless something convinces them he can't win, and that earlier voting simply reflected that something wasn't known at the time of the vote.

We have a system. Let's let it work itself out, rather than changing those rules we want to change, while insisting other rules can't be changed.

Anger and frustration at each other serves no good purpose.

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EvilMonkey

Before too many people get into a huff about it here, this is a counter post to Marie's post which is just as nutty.

Heretic

But because Obama is ahead by well over a hundred he has a lead which Hillary can never overcome.

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HarperLee

Anger and frustration at each other serves [sic] no purpose. Neither
do constant mischaracterizations of the truth.

It is not "insulting" or "unpleasant" when posters on a political message board point out untruths, i.e., your insistence that the
Clintons were asked by the press whom her VP would be was
not an opinion; it was a lie. You could have gotten a free pass for
being confused, but you refused to back down after videos and
transcripts were posted proving that no one asked either Bill Clinton or Hillary Clinton whom her VP choice would be.

You are not a lovable, wise old curmudgeon. Before I ever came to
this board there were posts accusing you of being a racist. You
constantly twist what Obama has actually said, and you constantly misquote what you yourself have said. You actually posted that the
MSM should quote Obama's words out of context to make him look bad, something you have done in almost every post you have made.

But good news for you: if your candidate takes this audicity-of-hopelessness campaign to Denver, Obama will have barely two months to campaign against John McCain, who by November will
have been campaigning as his party's candidate for eight months.
Hillary will have 5 more months to bloody and maim and cripple Obama.
McCain will win the general election, in part because you and your
candidate don't give a flying fuck about the Democratic party, and
you will get to say: I told you so. This country is not ready for a black president.

(Not sure where you get your news, but I guess you didn't notice that
Hillary's pitiful lies about her Bosnian trip hurt her a lot more than
the Rev. Wright story hurt Obama. Hillary's negatives are at 48%,
a 7-year high. And the new buzz, which I started hearing yesterday,
is that even if your dream comes true and it appears that Obama is unelectable, the superdelegates will not give the nomination
to Clinton.)

Heavy_monkey2.0

counter post?

The Reality: 10 to 1 isnt quite lopsided enough.

jdanton

Again, you prove my point. I can't, and I don't justify her lies about Bosnia, as they are not justifiable.

I am likely the least racist person you've ever conversed with. That doesn't mean I'm foolish enough to think there is no racism in this country. There is a lot more of it than you'd like to think.

It is, however, foolish in many ways to continue any debate of Hillary versus Obama.

Much fodder is being produced that can, and will, be used against any of the three candidates in the general election. More fodder may come.

We will see. It is arrogant for anyone to pressure Hillary to pull out prior to the Pennsylvania votes, and it would be unwise for her to do so.

Whatever twists and turns this may or may not take are not known. It's just that simple.

Let's let all the voters cast their votes, then see where we are. I know that sounds ridiculously democratic, but what can you do?

I would also point out that Obama's biggest problem to date is Rev. Wright, and that is in no way Hillary's doing.

What, exactly, has Hillary done that's "bloodied" Obama?

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HarperLee

There is no point in my wasting my time answering the above question because you will ask the same thing tomorrow -- like today didn't happen. Sadly, you are not as cute as a puppy; you are just
dishonest and annoying.

It is about time for you ask again how Obama plans to make your grandchildren prefer homework over video games -- or to point out
that Obama is not fit to be president because he himself admits that his wife has to remind him everyday he is not perfect. Bring up the
Clinton/NAFTA/Canada lie that no one but you believes anymore.
Insist that the Clintons have not played the race card. Tell us about all your friends -- er, neighbors who tell you that this country is not ready for a black president. Tell us how Obama's failure to sign the
campaign finance pledge will derail his campaign -- never mind that Obama is not the candidate yet. Tell us again how the poor Clintons were only answering the questions of reporters when they blatantly suggested that Hillary would choose Obama as her VP.

And explain why you were there in a heartbeat two weeks ago to
discuss Obama's race speech -- and admitted 3.5 hours later that
you hadn't seen the speech.

To quote another poster who addressed you today, "It is getting
fucking old." You are an old guy, Danton. How many primaries have you seen in your lifetime where the votes of every state mattered?
I am old, too, and this is the first time my primary vote has mattered.
Hillary and Bill know they are lying when they insist that every
American vote in this primary. They count on stooges like you to
believe them.

And I can assure you that you are not the least racist person I have
ever known. Frankly, I would prefer a cracker racist over your
whiny, sanctimonious "yes, but ..." racism. I would also bet the farm that you will not vote for Obama.

Now, scurry off, and start another passive-aggressive, disingenuous,
dishonest thread.

MarkMiller

Never say never.