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yeah, jd, if all the super delegates voted the way their states did, including kennedy, etc., obama's lead would increase by 20 delegates!

so i'll GLADLY agree with that! i'm all for it!

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The process will continue, as it should. Let us not be like the Bush Cabal, and insist the voting to be stopped in favor of one preferred candidate. Let us not stop the voting process, and may the best candidate win.
It does little good, but we should all be reminded daily, whether some of the more sensitive like it or not, in what four more years of Bus---er, four years of McCain, would result. "Old politics" would rule indeed.
But no, let us instead fret over the posting habits of one participant while exercising our own posting idiosyncrasies with gusto.

jdanton

That's true. It's not, however, my point.

If we are to have freedom of speech and be allowed a variety of opinions, we must be prepared to acknowledge that different people will hold different opinions.

Anger over those differing opinions seems contrary to our alledged beliefs. What has happened to the "I'll fight to the death" attitude of protecting speech I disagree with?

Why is it impossible to hold a discussion without curse words?

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jdanton

Thanks for proving my point.

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jdanton

How would you know?

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Vicariously I

So your point was that your delusional?

Glad I could help.

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jdanton

I'm not sure what any of this post means.

I've received extremely angry responses over the past months by simply asking questions that I believe are quite relevant to this campaign.

It's easy for a politician to form a consensus when the subject at hand has general agreement. The challenge is in uniting people who hold severely different opinions, like on abortion. I ask how Obama plans to unite those people, and his supporters get nasty.

I ask how mandates can be good if we're mandating parents to buy healthcare for their children, but mandates are bad if they mandate people to buy healthcare for themselves. I ask why it matters if it's affordable enough so everyone will voluntarily buy it. I get angry responses.

My view has, all along, been consistant. The stated goals of Obama and Clinton that fall within the province of the federal government are virtually identical. In that either of them, if elected, will have the same congressional make-up, there chances of success are quite similar.

When Obama starts making promises that God himself can't keep, I have a problem. Those who expect him to keep this promises will have a bigger problem.

All of this is out of our hands now, unless the state we live in hasn't voted. We don't know what other "shoes" will drop over the next couple of months.

Everyone on these boards will, I suspect, prefer supreme court nominees presented by Obama or Clinton over those presented by McCain.

I sincerely believe Clinton or Obama will address getting us out of Iraq, fixing our economy, improving our healthcare, moving us off oil, etc.....

I simply find it arrogant at this time for anyone to be asking either candidate to pull out. Let the people vote. Let the super delegates do their job if/when they are needed, then let's try to put a democrat in the White House next year.

The people who've supported Hillary and the people who've supported Obama ought not be enemies to one another.

Obama today made an interesting, and honest, remark, but it didn't go far enough. The candidates can't do anything, as candidates, about gas prices.

I wonder what the president CAN do about gas prices. Record profits and record high prices at the pump.

If the government cuts subsidies, prices will go up. If more oil fields are open for drilling, cost of drilling will drive prices up.

Why isn't that a topic here?

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jdanton

Scoff if it gives you pleasure. You must think Rev. Wright will not surface during the general election.

You've also forgotten, if the math is really close, the super delegates may have to factor in, in some way, Florida and Michigan.

WE all stray, again.

My simple question in this thread, I thought, was why not wait until all the people have voted?

That seems so democratic, no?

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jdanton

I would too. All I'm saying is let all the votes get cast.

I don't view this campaign continuing a little longer as a death nell for the general election.

I think if I were in a state that hadn't voted yet, I'd be extremely upset that there are those in the party "leadership" that don't want my vote to count.

It seems extremely unlikely that this can unfold in any way where she gets the nomination; unlikely, but not impossible.

Because she's still in the race, there will be debates, and they will be a remarkable opportunity to unite the party.

I still believe that at the appropriate time, barring some significan change, she will withdraw graciously and gracefully, urging all her supporters to vigorously support Obama.

I also believe that the continued presence of two candidates will help keep democratic turnout higher, longer, and that will, hopefully carry over to the general election.

I'm sorry if you find my opinions offensive, but I stand by them.

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Kana

For better or worse, that's the way people here argue. This isn't a formal debate forum, and as such, people are allowed to choose how to conduct themselves.

As to "I disagree with what you say but I'll fight to death for your right to say it," I'd still point out that nobody here, no matter how much profanity they use, has challenged your right to say any of the things you have said. "I'll fight to the death to protect speech with which I disagree," implies that someone is trying to stop you from expressing yourself. You want us to fight to protect your freedom of speech? Protect it from whom?

Respecting another's right to speak their mind does not preclude one from reacting to their words in anger. Having someone curse at you in anger is not an infringement of your freedom of speech. On the contrary, it is an exercise of theirs.

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