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Old 04-01-2008, 11:59 AM   #1 (permalink)
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A little patience, please

Harold Ford, last evening, seemed to have no problem with this campaign continuing until after the remaining states have voted. Why do so many others?

How will the democratic party look in the general election if it "forced" one candidate out before all the votes were cast.

Neither candidate has a clear shot at sufficient delegates.

Let's let the voters finish their job, then let the superdelegates, if needed, do their job.

Aren't those the rules? The same people, it seems, who have been so concerned about playing by the rules insofar as Florida and Michigan are concerned, seem to want to by-pass the rules insofar as the superdelegates are concerned.

It's unlikely that they would steal this from Obama if he's ahead significantly in pledged delegates (via voting) and popular vote.

However, if super delegates vote the way their STATE voted, Kennedy, Kerry, and a number of others would have to switch their support, and the math may look differently.

I make no predictions, other than at some point in the near future we will have a nominee, and some of us will support that nominee whomever it is.

I hold no grudges or antaganism toward anyone for holding opinions different than mine. It's disappointing that in a land where freedom of speech is held in such high regard, that so little regard for it survives on these boards.

It is time to put our egoes behind our country and support the candidate that is not mcCain.
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Old 04-01-2008, 12:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I hold no grudges or antaganism toward anyone for holding opinions different than mine. It's disappointing that in a land where freedom of speech is held in such high regard, that so little regard for it survives on these boards.
Your posts haven't been censored here. People may disagree with you vehemently, and they may be extremely rude, but unless I'm mistaken, your freedom of speech here has never been in question.
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Old 04-01-2008, 12:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Harold Ford, last evening, seemed to have no problem with this campaign continuing until after the remaining states have voted. Why do so many others?

How will the democratic party look in the general election if it "forced" one candidate out before all the votes were cast.

Neither candidate has a clear shot at sufficient delegates.

Let's let the voters finish their job, then let the superdelegates, if needed, do their job.

Aren't those the rules? The same people, it seems, who have been so concerned about playing by the rules insofar as Florida and Michigan are concerned, seem to want to by-pass the rules insofar as the superdelegates are concerned.

It's unlikely that they would steal this from Obama if he's ahead significantly in pledged delegates (via voting) and popular vote.

However, if super delegates vote the way their STATE voted, Kennedy, Kerry, and a number of others would have to switch their support, and the math may look differently.

I make no predictions, other than at some point in the near future we will have a nominee, and some of us will support that nominee whomever it is.

I hold no grudges or antaganism toward anyone for holding opinions different than mine. It's disappointing that in a land where freedom of speech is held in such high regard, that so little regard for it survives on these boards.

It is time to put our egoes behind our country and support the candidate that is not mcCain.
You just don't get it at all do you? The anger and frustration from the "Obamaniacs" comes from their desire to help this country. From listening to blantant lies and bullshit coming out of the mouth of the other choice in this primary. From listening to these people talk about wanting change all the while supporting a candidate that uses the same old dirty tricks that have been used in the past.

Stop pretending like we have a race between two great candidates.

It's getting really fucking old.
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Old 04-01-2008, 12:14 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I have no problem with the primary process going on until August if need be. My problem is with the statements the Clintons and surrogates have made, that praise their republican contender higher than their own parties representative. This is unheard of. The vitriole that the Clintons have ramped up, to win Texas and Ohio, to continue into Pennsylvania is detrimental to the party and the country.

The Clintons are being very shortsighted. Whether it is due to arrogance, bad advice from paid consultants or a feeling of entitlement I don't really care. For what ever reason I don't like it. Would I have voted for Hillary if she had honorably won the nomination, of course. Now? If Gravel is on the ballot, I'm there dude.
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Old 04-01-2008, 12:16 PM   #5 (permalink)
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You just don't get it at all do you? The anger and frustration from the "Obamaniacs" comes from their desire to help this country. From listening to blantant lies and bullshit coming out of the mouth of the other choice in this primary. From listening to these people talk about wanting change all the while supporting a candidate that uses the same old dirty tricks that have been used in the past.

Stop pretending like we have a race between two great candidates.

It's getting really fucking old.
Thank you. Civility does not seem to work.
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Old 04-01-2008, 12:19 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Harold Ford, last evening, seemed to have no problem with this campaign continuing until after the remaining states have voted. Why do so many others?
Shocking, considering that Ford is the chair of the Democratic Leadership Council. You know, the DLC, stuffed to the brim with Clintonistas?


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That's what a lot of people are saying! Why doesn't Clinton receive that message?
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Old 04-01-2008, 12:22 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I agree with Kanadasega -- if the contest were focussed on issues, and on the policy differences between candidates, it would be good for the party.

We have moved so far beyond that now.

To paraphrase Sen. Leahy, Clinton has every right, and not a very good reason to stay in the race longer.
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Old 04-01-2008, 12:36 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Thank you. Civility does not seem to work.

Civility has it's place in social settings and in public affairs but it serves little purpose against politics that seek to destroy that which you care so deeply about.


Not to mention it's hard to be civil when you show someone facts and their only response is "baa, baaa" *sounds of chewing grass* "baaa"

It's enough to creep you out, like talking to a Stepford housewife.


"She completely fabricated her sniper fire story?"

"Yeah well that's nothing. Obama bowled a 37!"
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Civility has it's place in social settings and in public affairs but it serves little purpose against politics that seek to destroy that which you care so deeply about.


Not to mention it's hard to be civil when you show someone facts and their only response is "baa, baaa" *sounds of chewing grass* "baaa"

It's enough to creep you out, like talking to a Stepford housewife.


"She completely fabricated her sniper fire story?"

"Yeah well that's nothing. Obama bowled a 37!"
Well, at The Other Place I was known to call one and only one poster a lying parcel of merde. That would be appropriate in this
situation, but I am mustering all my self-restraint.

Why the superdelegates should be able to see that Obama is unelectable:

1) He bowled a 37.
2) He has never explained how he will make Danton's grandchildren prefer homework over video games.
3) He is obviously weak and arrogant because he himself has said that his wife has to remind him every day that he is human.
4) Danton's friends, er, neighbors have all told him that this country is not ready for a black president.
5) Danton doesn't like affirmative action because at some nebulous
point in time a black woman scored 30 on a postal exam and was promoted. (This story may be apocryphal, but it is certainly proof that Obama is unelectable.)
6) Obama's campaign will be derailed because of Obama's backpedaling on public financing. (McCain has already backpedaled; Obama is not the candidate yet.)
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Old 04-01-2008, 02:27 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Guys, I have come to the conclusion that this going on alot longer will actually be a good thing. Clinton is gonna use up all of her capital, her cronies will take hits as well and the Democratic party will have no reason to give her a consolation prize. The Democratic party needs a good spring cleaning, we will be much better off once we have loosened the grip the Clintons have had on the Democratic party. So let her drag this out, Hillary is her own worst enemy. Turn your focus to defeating Mccain.
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