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Old 04-03-2008, 12:14 AM   #11 (permalink)
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The estimate is seven months, not years.
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Correction noted. Believe it or not, I did mean to say 7 months.
(It was a "misstatement", or Freudian slip, perhaps?)
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Old 04-03-2008, 12:46 AM   #12 (permalink)
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According to the Union of Concerned Scientists, the U.S. Geological Survey places the supply from ANWR to be enough for about seven months, hardly a long term solution. Ultimately we must find alternatives to oil, natural gas, coal, nuclear and other dangerous or finite energy resources. The sooner we attack this problem seriously, instead of seeking environmentally disastrous or international peace threatening quick fixes, the better.
A forthcoming report from the U.S. Climate Change Science Program cites three of the most widely used models for climate change analysis: one from MIT, another developed jointly by the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory and the University of Maryland, and a third created by Stanford University and the Electric Power Research Institute. The studies do not agree on everything but they do agree on this: Fossil fuels will remain the planet's No. 1 energy source through the 21st century, supplying 70% to 80% of the total by 2100, vs. about 90% today

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Old 04-03-2008, 07:30 AM   #13 (permalink)
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According to the Union of Concerned Scientists, the U.S. Geological Survey places the supply from ANWR to be enough for about seven months, hardly a long term solution. Ultimately we must find alternatives to oil, natural gas, coal, nuclear and other dangerous or finite energy resources. The sooner we attack this problem seriously, instead of seeking environmentally disastrous or international peace threatening quick fixes, the better.
I don't think it would matter how much oil is there.

We would immediately see an increase in the price at the pump to cover the cost of the drilling.

We'd be told the "inconvenience is temporary" type thing.

I should have known better, but I hoped someone would have a sensible answer to what the president and Congress CAN do about gas prices.

Can they dictate how much profit a company can make? Can they set prices for the product of a private firm? Can they control CEO pay and packages?

My suggestion to all who read this, unless you're handicapped, is when you go to the bank or the fast food, park the car and walk in.

If everyone did that, I think we'd make a noticable cut in consumption.
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I don't think it would matter how much oil is there.

We would immediately see an increase in the price at the pump to cover the cost of the drilling.

We'd be told the "inconvenience is temporary" type thing.

I should have known better, but I hoped someone would have a sensible answer to what the president and Congress CAN do about gas prices.

Can they dictate how much profit a company can make? Can they set prices for the product of a private firm? Can they control CEO pay and packages?

My suggestion to all who read this, unless you're handicapped, is when you go to the bank or the fast food, park the car and walk in.

If everyone did that, I think we'd make a noticable cut in consumption.
I cycle to work. I've always bought small cars w/ small engines, even when it was cool to own a big , bad SUV and the price of petrol stayed around $1.00/gal for years.

Consequently , the price of petrol doesn't really effect me that much, except when we fly, I guess. Even then we use airline miles a lot from a credit card I pay in full every month.
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So B Hussein thinks that the President should do something about irresponsible home buyers, but can't do anything about gas prices. What a crock.

We need to open ANWR for drilling. Increasing the domestic supply would bring the price down.

We also need to open up the New England coast for more wind farms so that those limosine liberals power their homes from wind instead of oil, coal, and gas.
Ugh you're like the most obnoxious parrot ever. Did you stroke out or something? You've repeated it several times in other posts and their not even original ideas. They're Limbaugh talking points "The Limousine Liberals" have the resources, and have actually put forth the effort to get off the grid. The cost of drilling here will be reflected at the pumps. It was your bitch who actually had the influence to give us a break, but decided to continue "playin ball, clear'n brush, and violently fucking us all in orifices that didn't exist until he took office. What ever happened to O.peration I raqi L iberation you lummox?
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A forthcoming report from the U.S. Climate Change Science Program cites three of the most widely used models for climate change analysis: one from MIT, another developed jointly by the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory and the University of Maryland, and a third created by Stanford University and the Electric Power Research Institute. The studies do not agree on everything but they do agree on this: Fossil fuels will remain the planet's No. 1 energy source through the 21st century, supplying 70% to 80% of the total by 2100, vs. about 90% today

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Makes sense. Necessity is the mother of invention I think the saying goes. If its not a crisis people won't do anything about it.

I think there has been some improvements as far as moving towards "greener" solutions but some of them like ethanol made from Corn actually pollute more than gas. The solution is that even if we were to invent an electric car, the electricity would come from a coal powered plant defeating the purpose. I think nuclear energy is a great solution, clean and efficient. England uses nuclear power stations, but the waste they produce is dangerous. If properly stored it would not cause any harm I think. That's just my two-cents.
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Makes sense. Necessity is the mother of invention I think the saying goes. If its not a crisis people won't do anything about it.

I think there has been some improvements as far as moving towards "greener" solutions but some of them like ethanol made from Corn actually pollute more than gas. The solution is that even if we were to invent an electric car, the electricity would come from a coal powered plant defeating the purpose. I think nuclear energy is a great solution, clean and efficient. England uses nuclear power stations, but the waste they produce is dangerous. If properly stored it would not cause any harm I think. That's just my two-cents.

I agree about the nuclear power...from what I understand like 80%(don't quote me on that number, but it is up there) of the waste can be recycled...and they are developing ways to turn the remaining waste into a solid...that can be more easily and safely stored....'

The weird thing is...is that the environmentalist don't want coal or nuclear....WTF do they want?
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I agree about the nuclear power...from what I understand like 80%(don't quote me on that number, but it is up there) of the waste can be recycled...and they are developing ways to turn the remaining waste into a solid...that can be more easily and safely stored....'

The weird thing is...is that the environmentalist don't want coal or nuclear....WTF do they want?
I am all for "greener" solutions as long as they are not a pointless. Like sugar-cane ethanol is cleaner and relatively cheap to make I think. So are some bio-diesels I think.

I don't know what they want, but it reminds me of this story i heard on the radio. Where this lady locked herself in a bike rack in front of Bank of America for them funding coal plants in South America. However bank of america is just a bank....and they are large funders in green tech i think. I don't know but apprently they got tazered. The point is that they don't know what they are protesting against. Go to exxons hq...not a bank.
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A forthcoming report from the U.S. Climate Change Science Program cites three of the most widely used models for climate change analysis: one from MIT, another developed jointly by the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory and the University of Maryland, and a third created by Stanford University and the Electric Power Research Institute. The studies do not agree on everything but they do agree on this: Fossil fuels will remain the planet's No. 1 energy source through the 21st century, supplying 70% to 80% of the total by 2100, vs. about 90% today

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Fossil fuels may remain the primary source of energy, but should they? Cigarettes may remain the main source of an individual's oral fixation, but should they?
If one can work, or a nation or better yet world can work, to change bad habits, should they not do so?
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I agree about the nuclear power...from what I understand like 80%(don't quote me on that number, but it is up there) of the waste can be recycled...and they are developing ways to turn the remaining waste into a solid...that can be more easily and safely stored....'

The weird thing is...is that the environmentalist don't want coal or nuclear....WTF do they want?
Sources which are not dirty, polluting or dangerous. If or when the technology of nuclear power reaches the point that permits the waste to be recycled into something useful and not life threatening for thousands of years, then kudos all around.
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