Chungar

Alright, So I stumbled accross this site and went ahead and joined to hopefully gain some insight on the political field. My current state of thinking is...

It just doesn't matter who wins.

My general feeling is that we won't know how good Obama or Hillary will be until 5 or 10 years after they're done. I am glad Georgie-Boy is getting the hell out but I'm just not sold on anyone. I hate the way that the Presidential process works like a goddamn popularity contest and how much money they spend trying to secure my vote.

So now, if you care to, please try to influence me with factual information regarding these canidates without all the hate.

With that, I gotta go but I will be back tomorrow

Environment Man

Oh well thank you so much for gracing us with your presence.

I agree with you. We have 3 good candidates and all would probably be decent presidents. In this order 1) Obama, 2) McCain & 3 Billary

Chantytown

Obama is a long legged mack daddy.

It's science.


Thank you.

Environment Man

Aint nothing wrong with being a long legged mack daddy. He has a nice stride pimp dap in his walk too. He's cool. Just like Eman.

Chantytown

He has a jewel encrusted goblet that says "Ho fo' Sho"

Environment Man

Obam is a skinny peacock struting his stuff on stage. He's a supercool Mick Jagger.

Chantytown

he can do a killer cover of Ruby Tuesday.

Environment Man

Obam, like Bush, was a party boy. So was McCain. I get the feeling Hillary was a prude. Weed. A little blow. Titty bar.

RK77

The difference between them for me is night and day.

Everyone mouths like parrots---"If you are in a hole stop digging" but I doubt that many have given much real thought to what that means.

McCain would suggest that if you just keep digging long enough the hole will fill itself back up somehow because after all-------this IS America!

Hillary would tell you that the whole problem is that the shovel that you are using is the wrong shovel and so she will stand up for you and provide you with a different shovel---a new and better shovel!

Obama is, to me, the only candidate who is asking --"why the fuck are we digging?"

Look---this country was founded a notion--a vision-- a proposition that was NOT a belief until some time later. Yet---the TRUTH of that vision was so powerful that even in the absence of a prototype Americans sought and found a new way---a better way.

Obama gives LIFE to words that other politicians give mere lip service. Look at his campaign financing.

Think about this in a greater context with me for a moment:

We all remember and love these words, don't we? But they did not and do not exist in a vacuum!



These words are those that gave birth to the concept of a government of the people.

Think about it---just the concept of a "government of the people" could be SPUN to be socialist propaganda --and if you listen to McCain or the republicans carefully and critically you will find that they frequently do issue this spin.


NOTE: It is the right of the PEOPLE to institute new government---think about that. What would Limbaugh say about that?

That would be rejected by the republicans in a hot second!

This government's status quo has one loud piercing message---"RELAX, well do this for you!" We are told to sit back, watch America Idol and don't worry---the president is responsible for our safety. The congress will pass laws to protect our interests. The Supreme Court will decided if the laws are consistent with the constitution for us. (wink, wink).

Hillary and McCain are asserting that the PROBLEM is the policies, the problem is the laws. They believe that corporate America must be engaged and inspired to provide us with a better life. They believe that corporation PROVIDES our lives by providing our livelihoods.

They act as though we live to work and consume.


Obama believes that we work and consume to live and thus those lives must have significance and priority.

Obama is asserting that the PROBLEM is that the people often don't KNOW what the government is doing. That the people have been held at arms length from access to government. That this has become entrenched BECAUSE to policies and practices of the government. BECAUSE corporations are trusted over the people. BECAUSE information is withheld from the people. BECAUSE while we are proud that we are governed by the consent of the people -- it is UNINFORMED consent. How power has been restricted to our right to vote.

Hillary and her supporters would argue (and have) that this arms length is needed because government is complex and it takes a lifetime of experience to make the necessary decisions. She stresses that NO ONE can guide the nation without knowing how to kick the political machine and make it work for them and it takes years (35?) to figure this out.

McCain would argue that it is the deterioration of the society due to immorality and not enough parenting of peoples choices ---oh and---because evil doers are making bad things happen creating a dangerous world. Thus, he implies that while some good people (my friends) could be entrusted others would not be worthy and would maliciously destroy the nation with their evil ways. He would further suggest that until we have layed to rest our enemies there can be no "life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness".

Obama is saying that he has a faith in the American people. That he trusts that collectively the people would find the right paths to take to effect those things that we find precious.

"We are the change that WE have been waiting for!" It means something---think about it for a minute.

He does not think we must be led by corporate america or the washinton politico's. He believes that they need to be led by us. And his faith in the people waylays fears about our lack of experience in Washington's game of politics guaranteeing disaster if we become involved.


Hillary and McCain rely on the clause in red above. This---and maybe this alone---is a paradox that allows people to support the status quo. To keep digging in the hole--for no other reason that they have been digging for so long. The hole has become home -- a source of the familiar -- comfortable.

Of course Hillary would like to change shovels and tell you how much easier the digging will get with her shovels---while McCain would tell you that you'd better dig harder before the boogey man gets you---BUT their emphasis is still on the big dig!

Obama acknowledges this true-ism. He realizes how it works to perpetuate our downward spiral BUT for his entire political career he has dedicated himself to the notion that people can be inspired to choose to work to end their suffering. To stop digging. To climb out of the hole and COLLECTIVELY seek ways to fill the hole. Obama believes that "YES, We Can" change our lives ----our world. He believes that "inevitible" is what we say it is! What we MAKE IT be!

It is precisely that which is referred to by the next sentence (in blue)---the government has 'pursued invariably' a design to reduce the people under a system in which we have one (and only one) power--that of our vote (which can be manipulated and even stolen in their system).

We are being told to keep digging while they pander to the lobbyests and corporations. We are being told to continue to allow them to seek the solutions for us, despite all the evidence being that they cannot and will not seek solutions that protect or respect our interests. Just keep digging! And here is a female shovel---that will make it all better---right?



Obama is saying that it is time that we stand up together and move forward to recover our rightful position in our government (and thus in determining our destiny, as a nation). He acknowledges that he cannot bring about change for us ---he can only enable it by opening avenues for the people to (if they have the will) move on to recover our nation.

In order for the cynics to embrace the notions put forth by Obama perhaps (and perhaps not) it will help them to recall that the Declaration of Independence did not conclude a war----IT BEGAN ONE!!

It was a vision for a better way that people of this nation had to be inspired to fight for. They had to be energized and mobilized.

I am quite certain that all who fought and died could not clearly visualize the tomorrow that they were dying for---but they KNEW what any man should KNOW---the right to have a say in your future is a precious and priceless treasure in and of itself---a wonderous outcome in your own lifetime would be a perk!

They wanted something different, something better, something "more" for the generations to follow them. And NO they could not predict what that future would look like---they could not DEFINE what changes would be wrought---but .......they trusted in themselves and their neighbors to seek that vague (and I might add not guaranteed) "better" tomorrow.

That courage, that will, that faith in God and themselves and their neighbors changed their lives, their children's lives, this nation and this world!

And there were many naysayers---thus those who embraced the notion of change---those who were hung or killed in the effort did so knowing and understanding that, as was embodied and accounted for in the constitution--

"all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed"

So---our founding fathers persisted despite being called dreamers and being characterized as, I am certain, their day's version of Kool-aid drinkers. They knew that some would be forever disposed to suffer---and probably bitch about the suffering while having not the will to change it.

They did not, in their misery, cling to the status quo. They did not accept the appealing offers of the King to "be their voice". They were unwilling to have someone "stand up for them". They, stood and fought and fell --for themselves, as men, empowered and the masters of their fate!

But Obama is NOT recommending war or revolution. He sees the american people as an alternative fuel source for this government. He believes that if we could come together and agree to disagree on some things then focus our energies on those things we identify and embrace as commen goals we can achieve those goals.

He believes that our differences are not as great as the politicians have needed to make them seem. Politics in this nation have depended upon adversarial posturing. In an effort to obtain an maintain power the politicians have NEEDED to nurture supporters who would not accept that we share commen visions and goals for our nation.

Think---the left "hates" religion and guns and the nation---is that really true? The right want to restrict the freedoms of expression and "hates" gays and blacks and women and foreigners ---is that really true?

The politics of division at a time when clearly we need to stand as a people if we are to move forward, threatens our very existence.

Obama sees a way to BEGIN to help US make the changes that we need to make.

In my next post I will explain how actions in government will make those changes begin to occur---but keep in mind---- it is all meaningless without the power of the people and the ultimate course would be dependent on the will of the people.

I will post more if I see you have returned.

mudwhistle

Obama and Clinton both lie a great deal. They are both telling the truth, though, when they talk about raising your taxes.