The Compassion Forum Tonight

[EvilMonkey]

Originally Posted by CosmicRocker

527's are part of the landscape. They will have their slime

Obama is giving it back, though more so with his surrogates as good as he gets. BOTH candidates are stronger for it.

The camapign is awful,i agree -but more so because of a failure of the managers to do there job.
Even the best managers are dependant on middle management.

Looking back, she needed to assert her views more into the campaign,
rather than rely on them coming up with platforms for her to use. It was a disconnect 0n both partys parts

She needed to stay more on the issues and less on the attacks IMO. There are moments when I find Hillary to be a very decent person, even last week when ABC interviewed her backstage at the Elton John concert she seemed very genuine. That's the Hillary I like and would have supported had she not gone off the deep end.

[CosmicRocker]

Originally Posted by ericgtr

She needed to stay more on the issues and less on the attacks IMO. There are moments when I find Hillary to be a very decent person, even last week when ABC interviewed her backstage at the Elton John concert she seemed very genuine. That's the Hillary I like and would have supported had she not gone off the deep end.

well she is behind, so she has to attack to make up ground.
If she had run a better campaign, and at least contested the caucus states, she may have been closer.

And of course Florida and Michigan would have changed the ENTIRE PRIMARY.

But it is what it is, and she has to make up ground now, so she has to be on the offensive.

[K2Flex]

Originally Posted by CosmicRocker

Relating to working class folks has little to do with net worth.
It's about how hard you go to bat for them in conflicts, and fight for the average guy's interests.

I'm gonna have to disagree with this part of your statement. People with money like Clintons, or anyone with million dollar plus incomes, have have way more means to accomplish things than someone making 25-75 grand a year. If a blue collar worker's child(ren) want to go to college, they are in debt and struggle for a while. Simple fact. The other end of the spectrum can just pay for it in full, or just about anything they want, and maybe even get a tax break for it if the cost is high enough.

IMO, they don't fight for the average guy's interests, because they are not average! They are on the higher end of the income spectrum. They don't wanna hear about how people are struggling to make ends meet. If you don't make money like wealthy people do, they are not "equal". This is the elitist attitude. Go ahead and try to twist it in any way, but deep down you know it's true.

[CosmicRocker]

Originally Posted by K2Flex

I'm gonna have to disagree with this part of your statement. People with money like Clintons, or anyone with million dollar plus incomes, have have way more means to accomplish things than someone making 25-75 grand a year. If a blue collar worker's child(ren) want to go to college, they are in debt and struggle for a while. Simple fact. The other end of the spectrum can just pay for it in full, or just about anything they want, and maybe even get a tax break for it if the cost is high enough.

IMO, they don't fight for the average guy's interests, because they are not average! They are on the higher end of the income spectrum. They don't wanna hear about how people are struggling to make ends meet. If you don't make money like wealthy people do, they are not "equal". This is the elitist attitude. Go ahead and try to twist it in any way, but deep down you know it's true.

FDR was an " elitist" who worked tirelessly for the average man

[K2Flex]

Originally Posted by CosmicRocker

FDR was an " elitist" who worked tirelessly for the average man

That's the past, not the present.

[EvilMonkey]

"Elitist" label from Hillary. Like the republicans and their 527's they like to apply a label to the opposing party's leading candidate. How about a McCain/Clinton ticket? Shit, they've already laid the groundwork.

[CosmicRocker]

Originally Posted by K2Flex

That's the past, not the present.

it doesn't change the idea that wealthy Presidents, or Congress ppl can be philanthropic, or populist in their politics.
Then or now.

The Corporate types are pretty much in it for themselves. i do agree

[Environment Man]

As a superhero Eman is tempted by elitism, but his steel trap mind keeps him humble and lovable. A servant of the people.

[K2Flex]

Originally Posted by CosmicRocker

it doesn't change the idea that wealthy Presidents, or Congress ppl can be philanthropic, or populist in their politics.
Then or now.

The Corporate types are pretty much in it for themselves. i do agree

I can agree with that. But look what the corporate types are doing now in this current administration. They have royally destroyed this country and have no shame about doing it, all in the name of profit. Do you really think Hillary would be any different having served on the Board of Directors at Walmart and a partner of the Rose Law Firm? I don't think so. The idea of capitalism is driven into their brains and warps the sense of reality.

[Heretic]

I watched parts of the Obama portion, but was extremely anooyed at the creation/evolution bullshit being thrown in. As if it's the president's business to decide which. Also, the lie of Jr.'s abstinence program was perpetrated without any corroboration of the supposed "stats" bantied about.