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and hillary won't gain much ground on obama no matter what...

CQ Politics | Clinton Rates Slim Edge Over Obama in PA District Delegate Race

from their article: Clinton Rates Slim Edge Over Obama in PA District Delegate Race

"...103 to be exact — will be allocated according to the votes the candidates receive in each of the state’s 19 congressional districts.

And a CQ Politics analysis of the political circumstances in Pennsylvania’s congressional districts, detailed below, projects an edge to Clinton — but by just 53 district-level delegates to 50 for Obama under the Democratic Party’s proportional distribution rules."

so, all this shit she's flinging is for what?
maybe a gain of 3 delegates?

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it's not so much about the pledged delegates now, but making a case for the Supers. Both campaigns need the supers to win.

So Hillary needs a big win in the popular vote.
Her case is then that Obama doesn't win the Dem base, Big States, and is vulnerable with his " typical elietist" attitude.

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poetrychic

i find it funny how hillary (supporters) think(s) that dems wouldn't vote for the dem candidate regardless of who it is...i also find it funny that hillary (supporters) think(s) the "big states" are all of a sudden going to vote republican if hillary doesn't get the nomination....and again with elitist? too funny...

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I think the DNC is not so much worried about them supporting a Republican, rather they are worried about disenfranchised Dems not showing up at all or voting for a third party. We've had people on this board flat out say they won't vote at all if their person doesn't win.

To these people I ask only that they should consider carefully that their non-participation will affect the Supreme Court balance for another generation, and probably the rest of my life.

Heretic

Except she won't get a huge popular vote win. If she keeps it up she'll lose the state. Overall, among the rest of the states and territories she'll lose even more regardless. Her best option is to drop out lest she be carried out.

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CosmicRocker

Do you not see the fissures in the Party?

I've seen LOTS of Obama supporters here say they would not vote for Hillary.
I've seen a few of the same go the other way.

By BIG States -I mean Big SWING States.
Where Obama has done poorly. New York and Calif. are safely Dem.

But Ohio, Pa ( to an extent) Fl. Mi, and Hispanic states out west have not been favorable to Obama.

Add that to the idea that Mccain will be competative with Independants, and you can see that holding the base
( which Hillary does best) is imperative to winning the swing states, and the election.

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poetrychic

most of the obama supporters here are independents, they don't hold a party line, myself included...you can't count pennsylvania in your list, they haven't voted yet...you can't count michigan, obama wasn't on the ballot so there wasn't a true contest...let's look at arizona, new mexico and nevada in order obama lost by 8% (though probably only 3% by now since edwards got 5% of the vote), 1% (and less than 2000 popular votes), and 6% though he got more delegates...i would hardly declare that as something that can't be overcome...

mccain will lose on the economy, and right now, people are more worried about the economy than anything else...did you hear his speech today? besides that, obama garners more independent youth than mccain and there are quite a considerable number of them vs. any other....

as for "the base", my dear friend, that's why they're called "the base", they will vote dem no matter what...it's what those people do regardless of who the party puts in the nomination slot...

this hillary is the only choice, according to your arguments, is nothing but fear based politics...and i, for one, am not scared....

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CosmicRocker

The "base" need not vote at all.
My mother is a lifelong Dem. she won't vote for Mccain - but she won't vote for Obama either.
Hillary can hold , and motivate the traditional base to come out.
Obama depends on brining in Independants ( which will also go to Mc Cain), and new voters.
Will new voters come out? maybe. prolly. but it's much riskier to depend on an undependable group.

New Mex. Az. and Nevada?? who cares about those states?
Az. is big, but McCain will prolly hold his home state.
But Hillary could win there with Hispanic voters.
Obama doesn't have a chance.

Nevada votes rep..
New Mexico is a swing state -determined by the Hispanic vote, which Obama does miserably with.

I notice you didn't say anything about Ohio, and Fla. -ONE of which HAS to be carried by a Dem. to get elected.
Hillary clearly does better there than Obama.

It's not " fear factor". It's pure demographics.

I heard part of Mccains speech. some was stupid - but the gas tax hiatus is a populist idea.

The economy, and he war make this a naturally Dem. year.
But if you put a flawed candidate up like Obama, McCain can win.

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poetrychic

you're the one who brought up "the states out west"...with hillary gone, 90% of those that voted for her go to obama, hispanics included....

not necessarily

of course it's fear based...the current talking point memos are riddled with the words "hillary" "base" "hispanic" "electable"...

it will cost us $10 billion in lost revenue...that is not something this country can afford right now, populist idea or not...it is not a solution nor were any of his other "ideas"...it showed his complete lack of understanding, and given our gas tax is only about $0.40 of the cost in a gallon that puts us back to just above $3.00...oh joy!!! some relief

my friend, hillary is far more flawed than obama ever will be...that's a plain and simple fact...no harm that you believe otherwise though

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