Man in Pa. Ad Not Registered to Vote - Page 3

HarperLee · 04-16-2008, 12:17 PM

Registration deadline is over and this is an idiotic argument. Obviously, Clinton could not round up even 5 Pennsylania registered voters outraged enough to appear in her ad.

Hillary has morphed into a neocon and now she is using 527 campaign ad tactics. The whining old women in the Swift Boat ads were obviously paid professional actresses. Since who the people really
are is of no consequence to you, may I make a suggestion? Hillary should hire someone more attractive and likable to play herself in these ads. Just trying to help you out.

guest1234567 · 04-16-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by HarperLee

Registration deadline is over and this is an idiotic argument. Obviously, Clinton could not round up even 5 Pennsylania registered voters outraged enough to appear in her ad.

Hillary has morphed into a neocon and now she is using 527 campaign ad tactics. The whining old women in the Swift Boat ads were obviously paid professional actresses. Since who the people really
are is of no consequence to you, may I make a suggestion? Hillary should hire someone more attractive and likable to play herself in these ads. Just trying to help you out.

Harp, I don't think you've paid attention to what I'm saying. And changing the subject to swift boat ads is silly.

My whole point is that people who are not registered to vote can, and will, have opinions.

Now I think though, you will agree with me that if they don't vote they still have the right to complain - but they shouldn't.

HarperLee · 04-16-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by guest1234567

Harp, I don't think you've paid attention to what I'm saying. And changing the subject to swift boat ads is silly.

My whole point is that people who are not registered to vote can, and will, have opinions.

Now I think though, you will agree with me that if they don't vote they still have the right to complain - but they shouldn't.

I agreed with you that anyone has the right to complain.

Her ad is about one specific issue -- Pennsylvanians who are outraged and hurt and pained by Obama's [out of context] remarks
that she shrieked about for three days. Why is it unreasonable to think that she could have found actual Pennsylvania voters who were outraged?

I can't even remember the ad right now, but the guy is not too fucking outraged about anything or he would have registered to vote. The Swift Boat harpies were paid professional actors and this guy
has no more credibility.

But I love it when you call me Harp.

RK77 · 04-16-2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by guest1234567

Obviously my point is that you don't need to be registered to vote to talk on a TV commercial. You know, that whole First Ammendment thing with free speech and all.

Was that the point of the commericial? Was Hillary trying to relay to the public that due to "free speech" anyone from anywhere for any reason could agree with her?

I thought she was trying to tell pennsylvannians what other pennsylvannians thought.

Points are always better made when accuracy is at least attempted in presenting the information.

Your point ---was obscured by the inaccurate premise of your statement.

HarperLee · 04-16-2008, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RK77

Was that the point of the commericial? Was Hillary trying to relay to the public that due to "free speech" anyone from anywhere for any reason could agree with her?

I thought she was trying to tell pennsylvannians what other pennsylvannians thought.

Points are always better made when accuracy is at least attempted in presenting the information.

Your point ---was obscured by the inaccurate premise of your statement.

Oh, hell, maybe it was a "free speech" ad.

And I forgot to ad that Hillary is playing to the
superdelegates. The superdelegates are concerned with registered voters.

I still think someone else should play Hillary.

RK77 · 04-16-2008, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by guest1234567

She did indeed by footage of a sleeping child from an ad agency. The first post in this thread labeled this as a 'fiasco.' It isn't.

It would seem that she did indeed find people who really support her. You are just insisting that they shouldn't be allowed in an ad unless they meet some sort of criteria to your liking.

And indeed, she certainly does have that right. Remember she's not speaking to the types that have made up their mind. She's speaking to the 12% of undecided idiots that have been (incredibly) unable to make up their minds by now. Not exactly your brightest overall demographic, IMO. But Obama has to go after the same folks too.

Just so that I am certain that I understand.......because Hillary would have the "right" to use actors to express her opinion you would find her creation of the impression that these were pennsylvannians randomly stopped expressing their opinions "A OKAY" with you?

Further---you find it appropriate to denigrate those who have not made a final determination (or chosen to share one) with regard to their vote in a primary election.

Wow!! Typical Hillho supporter! You deserve a shot of CROWN ROYAL and a beer!

CosmicRocker · 04-16-2008, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by poetrychic

i agree with what you're saying and can definitely see your point...however, i think the point they are trying to make though, is that this guy is from new jersey and didn't grow up in pennsylvania...how can he be a bitter pennsylvanian and be outraged by obama's remarks if he's only lived there for a couple months? for me that totally lowers his credibilty vs. if they had gotten a pennsylvanian who had lived there during the all the job losses and hardships...a "been there done that person" is much more believeable when you want to drive a message of outrage home, regardless of the stupidity of the message

Obama's remarks were made about more than PA voters.
He smeared the whole middle class gun owner/bible thumping class.

RK77 · 04-16-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by HarperLee

Registration deadline is over and this is an idiotic argument. Obviously, Clinton could not round up even 5 Pennsylania registered voters outraged enough to appear in her ad.

Hillary has morphed into a neocon and now she is using 527 campaign ad tactics. The whining old women in the Swift Boat ads were obviously paid professional actresses. Since who the people really
are is of no consequence to you, may I make a suggestion? Hillary should hire someone more attractive and likable to play herself in these ads. Just trying to help you out.

Hillary is disrespecting those voters whom she created this ad to purport to be defending!

She is ACTING on a core belief that she has in the ignorance of her voter---much as she has ACTED on a belief in her core belief that white america is racist AND much as she has ACTED or her belief that women are dizzy, uninformed one issue voters when she unleashed her Obama abortion mailers in New Hampshire.

This action simply says that she believed that PA voters were too stupid to figure out or care if some outsider told them what they thought or felt. That's all.