Edwards 08 - Page 2

dsolo802 · 11-03-2007, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jdanton

My problem with Edwards is not that he attacked Hillary in the last debate,

Good. I think what Edwards did validly do was to reflect a real problem many people have with her style.

Again, I offer this as constructive criticism: She is a polished politician. She comes across as being a little too polished. If I were advising her, I would suggest she work on being a little less polished and a little less wary of the "gotcha". She needs to work on the plain speaking thing.

neptune · 11-03-2007, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by julia

None of the other candidates are even close to being populists.

I agree with Jules -- Edwards has a real populist message. Plus, of all the Democratic candidates, he's the one that can win in the general. None of the others fare as well in recent state-by-state, head-to-head polling (yeah, I know, polls don't mean much a year out.)

bigbrowndog · 11-03-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jdanton

My problem with Edwards is not that he attacked Hillary in the last debate, but that he had misrepresented what she had said in order to attack it.

He said her position was that she would not consider raising the theshold amount on which social security taxes are taken out. That was simply not true. She had said she'd not consider that or any other social secuirty measure until fiscal discipline had been restored to the federal budget.

He has said his health plan is better than hers on several fronts, and he has said her plan is the same as his. One of those has to be a false statement.

I've never heard him say hers was better on several fronts,
so that would be false.

If Hillary could answer a question straightly, there would be less "misrepresenting" by others.
That's what happens when you ride the fence, you can get your ankles nipped on both sides.

jdanton · 11-03-2007, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbrowndog

I've never heard him say hers was better on several fronts,
so that would be false.

If Hillary could answer a question straightly, there would be less "misrepresenting" by others.
That's what happens when you ride the fence, you can get your ankles nipped on both sides.

How about some examples of what she's not answered.

He has said HIS plan is better than hers on several occasions, and he's said they're the same.

He said Hillary refused to consider raising the threshold of ss witholding. What she said was she'd consider NOTHING about ss until fiscal discipline is restored to the federal budget.

He spoke a half truth.

bigbrowndog · 11-03-2007, 09:57 PM

Damn good Edwards speech, imo:

http://johnedwards.com/news/headline...29-moral-test/

bigbrowndog · 11-03-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jdanton

How about some examples of what she's not answered.

He has said HIS plan is better than hers on several occasions, and he's said they're the same.

He said Hillary refused to consider raising the threshold of ss witholding. What she said was she'd consider NOTHING about ss until fiscal discipline is restored to the federal budget.

He spoke a half truth.

She would not have clarified her end until he he poked her on it.

And I googled that he said hers better and got zippo,
plus have not heard him say it, if he has said it so often.
When was he referrencing?? Her old plan that she could not get passed?
A plan that is not like her plan now--a plan that is LIKE HIS?
That must be it, so you are speaking in half truths.

Sorry, not everyone loves Hillary, if that churns your guts
too bad. She will be needled and that's what has to be done
to pin her down to get info.

She's cagey; I got short patience for cagey after 7 years of cretins.

bigbrowndog · 11-03-2007, 10:09 PM

She stood in the debate before this one and stated exactly
the reverse of the K-L amendment that she voted for.

She's banking on people not paying enough attention to what
she does, versus what she says.

Edwards was right to call her out on that too.

TrueBlueAmerican · 11-03-2007, 10:13 PM

Bottom line. Can Edwards deliver the goods?

djack · 11-03-2007, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dsolo802

Good. I think what Edwards did validly do was to reflect a real problem many people have with her style.

Again, I offer this as constructive criticism: She is a polished politician. She comes across as being a little too polished. If I were advising her, I would suggest she work on being a little less polished and a little less wary of the "gotcha". She needs to work on the plain speaking thing.

So your advice is to act dumb? Maybe she could drive a pickup to the debate like Fraud Thompson. Or tell them she's a friend of the poor after getting a $400 haircut.
She's a polished politician who will make a polished president.

bigbrowndog · 11-03-2007, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueBlueAmerican

Bottom line. Can Edwards deliver the goods?

Let's get a crystal ball like finding out what we do when
Blackwater shows up for dinner. That's seems to be the realm
you deal in, instead of the KNOWN.

He made a mint in confrontation tactics, which you dismiss
because he was a lawyer. In your mind a 'Buick Salesman'.

It's one thing to have an opinion, it's quite another to have
one based on using avaliable information or whether you pulled
it from your ass.

http://www.theonion.com/content/vide...most_important

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