Rollerball

There is no doubt it will be kept alive, what else do they have to throw at Obama besides this and the word "bitter"? There are those on this very site that have pledged to hate Wright unconditionally and all but took an oath to avoid any further information on the man. It's all they got, so they don't want to take the chance of some truth messing that up. But at least now with these latest pieces out there a few more people will know the GDAmerica clip is taken out of context.

itsmeeeeeee

i don't think ANYBODY has ANY illusions that ANYTHING will put this issue to rest. in fact, any attempt to put it to rest would ONLY make it MORE inflamatory.

this election, with a black man and a white woman, and a white neocon, is historic - and any expectations that it COULD be anything but a historic heated battle between the forces of bigoted ignorance and the forces of equality is naive - in that it assumes there is no racism or prejudice, when there clearly IS.

no, i say "bring it on!"

i say, let's take a giant quantum leap towards exposing the bigotry that's always swept under the carpet - and uniting all the post-racist people in this country against the evil.

the country's ready to take another step.
why put it off.
these things will NEVER be conquered ANY other way.

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winthrop

Not "anti-American", for the use of nuclear weapons was a horrific act, just as there are many horrific acts associated with war. But upon what are you basing your assertion that Japan was "on the verge of surrender"?
An invasion of Japan is estimated to have cost half a million lives on the Allied side alone; given the proven Japanese propensity to fight to the last person standing in the various island battles the idea that inclination would have been any less in defense of the homeland seems naive, therefore the casualties on the Japanese side would likely have been even greater. The use of nuclear weapons, perhaps in this instance only, probably saved more lives than it took, tragic and unnecessary (as unnecessary as the acts of December 7, 1941) though they were.
As for the internment of American citizens of Japanese descent, that was another in the tragically long line of American atrocities, particularly against those of non-European lineage. German-Americans received no such treatment.

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winthrop

There is certainly an element of racism in some reaction to the Wright affair, but it is hardly the only or probably even primary one. The Wright "controversy" rests in the same nest with flag pins, bowling scores, etc as barely relevant and often utterly childish distractions to what should matter, but ultimately may not matter, to Americans; such as whither the economy, Iraq, health insurance, Social Security, civil rights, energy policy? The media drives the discussion, but the public has long demonstrated issues such as this and preventing Gay marriage hold as much importance as issues which actually impact their daily lives. The problem is not in our Stars, media, political or otherwise, it lies within ourselves, as The Sage would no doubt remind us.

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Heavy_monkey2.0

this does not help obama.

Heavy_monkey2.0

Rev wrights security is being provided by the Nation of Islam, due to death threats the rev has recieved.

CosmicRocker

The Japaneese Military did not want to surrender after the FIRST atomic bomb.
That's why 2 were dropped. They were still for the defense of the Islands after the 2nd.
Only the emperor could overule the Councils.

Look at some photos of the citizens preparing to defend themselves from the invasion.
They are rag tag militias with old women and young kids armes with pitchforks and shovels.

You are familiar with the Shinto philosophy?
All glory to the emperor? All self dedication to Japan?

It's estimated it would have cost over 1.000,000 lives on both sides to invade Japan.

So the bombs SAVED lives. and Gave Japan the ultimatum it needed to surrender.

The internment of Japaneese citizens here was more controversial.
It was a bad policy. But there were Geman spies, and Japaneese spies among us.
We were pretty good at breaking up the spy rings, so he internment of Japanese US citizens was un necessary, and a bad policy.
Given the fact we were total war against Japan; it might be understandable. And it's EZ to criticize looking back.

But no-one really tries to defend that policy now.

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itsmeeeeeee

then the sage would also, no doubt, recognize that IGNORANCE AND BIGOTRY among americans is INDEED THE PROBLEM, and that the media is INCITING racism via that ignorance and bigotry. you have rush limbaugh OPENLY calling for riots in denver, for burning cars and violence. this should be illegal. as should be the vilification of good americans who speak the truth in the face of that ignorance.

instead of the media calling a flag pin important and newsworthy, they should be vilifying THAT kind of thinking.

they ENABLE the ignorant rather than admonish them.
they EMPOWER racists rather than condemn them.
they SPREAD prejudice and belittle the peace maker.

the inuit's are right.
the white man looks at the whole world upside down.

i'm extremely ashamed of much of my race.

BUT, i'm also very proud of the rest of us, who see this as a struggle against prejudice - and i'm proud that so many of us have risen above prejudice and are fighting against it like OUR OWN lives depended on it.

because in truth, all of our lives depend on uniting humanity and stomping out ignorance. in the name of, and for the common good of - humanity - we must ALL choose our master.

it's time to take another step towards a more perfect union.
we've been coasting since we took our last major step in the 60's, pretending the job was done, when too much of this prejudice and hatred had actually simply been covered with a thin layer of dirt, so it wasn't so visible.

a lot of people woke up and grew back then,
but a lot of people just hid their dirt and have remained morally stunted.

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itsmeeeeeee

please don't NOW profess to be an expert on WWII.
considering your penchant for talking completely out of your ass and forming opinions based on nothing - the very LAST person i would EVER listen to or debate the use of atomic bombs with to is you!

my son is a world war II freak and actually studied that war in obsessed detail and has shared what he's learned with me. i not only trust his knowledge, i've looked at the info myself. i sincerely doubt you'd put sufficient energy into doing so in order to form an opinion anyone could respect, let alone give a shit about.

you are one post away from being put on my ignore list.
not that you'd "care", obviously...

...but because i just absolutely refuse to continue to waste another MINUTE of my time on the cyclical mental masturbation of a complete imbecile.

it's what many cultures refer to as "shunning"...

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HarperLee

Starting tomorrow the RNC is running an anti-Obama ad featuring
Jeremiah Wright in North Carolina.

Since when does one party campaign for the primary nominee of
the other party?

I am so glad that Howard Dean thinks this race is good for the party.

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