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Old 04-28-2008, 09:57 AM   #21 (permalink)
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then the sage would also, no doubt, recognize that IGNORANCE AND BIGOTRY among americans is INDEED THE PROBLEM, and that the media is INCITING racism via that ignorance and bigotry. you have rush limbaugh OPENLY calling for riots in denver, for burning cars and violence. this should be illegal. as should be the vilification of good americans who speak the truth in the face of that ignorance.

instead of the media calling a flag pin important and newsworthy, they should be vilifying THAT kind of thinking.

they ENABLE the ignorant rather than admonish them.
they EMPOWER racists rather than condemn them.
they SPREAD prejudice and belittle the peace maker.

the inuit's are right.
the white man looks at the whole world upside down.

i'm extremely ashamed of much of my race.

BUT, i'm also very proud of the rest of us, who see this as a struggle against prejudice - and i'm proud that so many of us have risen above prejudice and are fighting against it like OUR OWN lives depended on it.

because in truth, all of our lives depend on uniting humanity and stomping out ignorance. in the name of, and for the common good of - humanity - we must ALL choose our master.

it's time to take another step towards a more perfect union.
we've been coasting since we took our last major step in the 60's, pretending the job was done, when too much of this prejudice and hatred had actually simply been covered with a thin layer of dirt, so it wasn't so visible.

a lot of people woke up and grew back then,
but a lot of people just hid their dirt and have remained morally stunted.
I believe that is the point being made by The Sage, his source, Mr. Shakespeare, and your humble servant. We, the public, whether through bigotry, ignorance or salaciousness, permit the media to shortchange us for profit. As long as exploitation of our baser selves continues to pay those who collect that pay will continue to engage in it.
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Old 04-28-2008, 09:58 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Starting tomorrow the RNC is running an anti-Obama ad featuring
Jeremiah Wright in North Carolina.

Since when does one party campaign for the primary nominee of
the other party?

I am so glad that Howard Dean thinks this race is good for the party.
The DNC is running ads critical of John McCain. Obviously, the RNC believes Mr. Obama will be the nominee.
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Old 04-28-2008, 10:10 AM   #23 (permalink)
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The DNC is running ads critical of John McCain. Obviously, the RNC believes Mr. Obama will be the nominee.
wrong. the rnc is running these ads and tying them to down ticket congress people running for re-election who have endorsed obama.

the effort is based completely on getting the stronger of the two, (and now damaged, thanks to hillary) obama, OUT of the race so they can later annihilate and evisorate the only candidate they have a chance of beating in the GE! clinton! they are using obama to whip up their bigots and hatemongers. he's just the opening act, down there, make no mistake about it!

this is a chess match, not checkers.
and i'm afraid that you're a play or two behind, my friend.
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Old 04-28-2008, 10:22 AM   #24 (permalink)
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please don't NOW profess to be an expert on WWII.
considering your penchant for talking completely out of your ass and forming opinions based on nothing - the very LAST person i would EVER listen to or debate the use of atomic bombs with to is you!

my son is a world war II freak and actually studied that war in obsessed detail and has shared what he's learned with me. i not only trust his knowledge, i've looked at the info myself. i sincerely doubt you'd put sufficient energy into doing so in order to form an opinion anyone could respect, let alone give a shit about.

you are one post away from being put on my ignore list.
not that you'd "care", obviously...

...but because i just absolutely refuse to continue to waste another MINUTE of my time on the cyclical mental masturbation of a complete imbecile.

it's what many cultures refer to as "shunning"...
The Japaneese didn't surrender after the FIRST bomb !!
what makes you think they would have surrendered after a "demonstration".

I've studied WWII also, not to take anything away from your son.
But look at the evidence I gave you.
Shintoism. The organizing of the homeland defenses of women, old folks, and young.
The way the Japannese defended Guatalcanal down to the last man.
2 bombs.

Their culture made surrendering a disgrase.

Take all that into consideration, and then explain why the Japaneese
would surender without an invasion of the islands?
Why they would not fight till they could not fight anymore?

I'm trying to speak to you in a civilized manner, and offer debating points.
If that isn't good enough...
" It don't matter to me, you believe what you wanna believe" ( Tom Petty. )
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wrong. the rnc is running these ads and tying them to down ticket congress people running for re-election who have endorsed obama.

the effort is based completely on getting the stronger of the two, (and now damaged, thanks to hillary) obama, OUT of the race so they can later annihilate and evisorate the only candidate they have a chance of beating in the GE! clinton! they are using obama to whip up their bigots and hatemongers. he's just the opening act, down there, make no mistake about it!

this is a chess match, not checkers.
and i'm afraid that you're a play or two behind, my friend.
Perhaps, although it is equally possible I am able to see these issues without a veil of Clinton hatred and paranoia clouding my perception.
And spare me claims of innocence regarding Clinton hating being anything other than what it is, however justified you may feel it is. I posted a thread showing Mr. Obama's appearance on FoxNews which was ignored in favor of more Clinton bashing threads, some of them days old. That is all some are able, if not willing, to deal with.
I agree Mr. Obama may be the better candidate, and all the math seems to indicate he is going to be the nominee, unless there is a dangerous revolt by the super delegates. It is only logical, not blindly emotional, to assume the RNC knows this and is, as is the DNC with their McCain ads, attempting to move on to the general election.
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Not "anti-American", for the use of nuclear weapons was a horrific act, just as there are many horrific acts associated with war. But upon what are you basing your assertion that Japan was "on the verge of surrender"?
An invasion of Japan is estimated to have cost half a million lives on the Allied side alone; given the proven Japanese propensity to fight to the last person standing in the various island battles the idea that inclination would have been any less in defense of the homeland seems naive, therefore the casualties on the Japanese side would likely have been even greater. The use of nuclear weapons, perhaps in this instance only, probably saved more lives than it took, tragic and unnecessary (as unnecessary as the acts of December 7, 1941) though they were.
As for the internment of American citizens of Japanese descent, that was another in the tragically long line of American atrocities, particularly against those of non-European lineage. German-Americans received no such treatment.

BINGO winthrop. exactly.
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Rev wrights security is being provided by the Nation of Islam, due to death threats the rev has recieved.


Did you have a point?
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Perhaps, although it is equally possible I am able to see these issues without a veil of Clinton hatred and paranoia clouding my perception.
And spare me claims of innocence regarding Clinton hating being anything other than what it is, however justified you may feel it is. I posted a thread showing Mr. Obama's appearance on FoxNews which was ignored in favor of more Clinton bashing threads, some of them days old. That is all some are able, if not willing, to deal with.
I agree Mr. Obama may be the better candidate, and all the math seems to indicate he is going to be the nominee, unless there is a dangerous revolt by the super delegates. It is only logical, not blindly emotional, to assume the RNC knows this and is, as is the DNC with their McCain ads, attempting to move on to the general election.
i can ONLY speak for myself, but i did NOT ignore your fox thread, i simply didn't notice it. raising such an accusation (avoiding it to flame hillary?) considering you just made the thread a few minutes ago, while people here have OBVIOUSLY been focused on an existing heated discussion is what? disengenuous?

perhaps you'd be better served if you save this "martyrdom" and condemnation for something much more worthy of you.

i allocate my time and respond to issues i'm passionate about.

excuse the hell out of me if i didn't respond to your thread a nanosecond after you posted it...
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you are one post away from being put on my ignore list.
not that you'd "care", obviously...

...but because i just absolutely refuse to continue to waste another MINUTE of my time on the cyclical mental masturbation of a complete imbecile.

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Did you have a point?
that wright has no right NOT to be assasinated?
that it proves he's an islamic-terrorist deeply connected to farakahn?

or, perhaps, just to be fair, the vague point may be condemning the death threats.

that's a generous interpretation.
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