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Old 04-29-2008, 01:42 PM   #11 (permalink)
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in a press conference right now, he's really attacking rev. wright's statements about "doing what politicians do".

he says this rev. wright isn't the rev wright he thought he knew, and that rev. wright obviously doesn't know him if he thinks obama doesn't really MEAN his previous statements condemning "god damn america" etc.

i saw axelrod on hardball last night and he was really pissed, so i guess it's not a surprise that obama's doing this.

i sense that obama feels extremely betrayed.

he keeps referring to wright's speeches as "performances", and says this is NO time for distractions from the important issues of the nation.

says his feeling for wright have changed a great deal, and that wright has shown no concern for obama, or the nation.

wow!
While I TOTALLY disagree with Obama on this (goes back to why I was an Edwards supporter in the first place) I can respect his recognition that the philosophical basis for his campaign and Rev Wright's work are too different for him to stand by Wright any longer.

If he feels this is antithetical to his campaign he has done exactly what he should do.
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Old 04-29-2008, 01:46 PM   #12 (permalink)
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HAHA which is what he is doing right now - what politicians do !!
But that's fine. Good to see a little fire in the belly.

PS. anybody still wanna dump on me for not listening into Wright's
speeches, and saying I don't need to hear more from this guy??

I didn't wanna listen to any more of his " performances" either.
Only a piece of trash like you would pride yourself on your ignorance!!! You didn't know what the problems with Wright were in the first place.

NOW---you have no CLUE what Obama rejected.

You have moved from dumb a fuck to double dumb as fuck and you are PROUD of that????

EWWWWWWWWWW!!!! What a roach!
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Old 04-29-2008, 01:48 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Here's a link to a video of Obama's comments: Marc Ambinder (April 29, 2008) - Obama Denounces Wright

Good speech, but I hate that he felt the need to give it. I don't agree with his condemnation of Wright, but understand why it is necessary politically. I haven't been able to watch the NAACP and NPC speeches in full, but from what I have seen, the only thing with which I take issue is Wright saying that Obama is just being a politician when he separates his views from Wright's. I think Wright could have a point, but I think he should have kept that point to himself, unless he intended to hurt Obama's campaign. He didn't need to make that point to defend himself.

Wright should never have been an issue in this campaign in the first place.

Eman, I share your disgust.
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yeah, i stand by my dumping on you for criticizing something you don't investigate.

if you had bothered to listen to wright, and still felt the same way, i would respect your view. but i don't respect ANYBODY for criticizing something they don't research, and i never will.

so don't get so cocky!

i still have the same opinion of you.

regarding wright? i still love him and think he's been unfairly demonized by the press and folks like you who refuse to even listen to him. and i still feel as though he has a right to stick up for himself.

but i do understand that morons will use him against obama.
and i understand obama's sense of betrayal considering how many morons there are in this country.
I don't like him, I think he is an opportunist that uses race as a lightening rod to further his own agenda, very much like Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson. I could name other raving lunatics like Pat Buchanan or Robertson that do the exact same thing with white people. Wright sells snake oil and now hes being criticized for it.

You think that he can say the stuff he says and not be held accountable? He is an embarrassment to the Obama camp and he has done what he can to smooth over the situation. I totally understand where he is coming from. Its like that guy you bring to a high society cocktail pty and he keeps making disgusting jokes. If this guy was really Obama's mentor and not some media hungry attention whore he would shut his mouth. Go back to Chicago and keep a low profile. All this is doing is fueling Clinton.

Now, what people will tell me is that he "shouldn't" have to do that and he is giving voice to the disenfranchised. No, he is giving voice to his opinions to benefit HIMSELF. Nothing he has done has been positive for Obama's campaign, it has all been negative press. It only is perpetuating this notion that he is part of some radical Marcus Garvey type sect. So like him if you will, but he has nothing constructive to say and so far he has demonstrated that quite well.

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Old 04-29-2008, 01:50 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Wow. Political, racial, personal conflict. A serious subplot has developed. But IS Wright more controversial than Bill Clinton?
No. But Obama is shares more of your "let's all get along" view than I do.

It's his campaign and his choice. I totally disagree with him on this (especially when Obama said that the government did NOT cause AIDS) but Obama is much more concerned about what makes people like Cosmic feel good about their pathetic WORTHLESS selves than I am.
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No. But Obama is shares more of your "let's all get along" view than I do.

It's his campaign and his choice. I totally disagree with him on this (especially when Obama said that the government did NOT cause AIDS) but Obama is much more concerned about what makes people like Cosmic feel good about their pathetic WORTHLESS selves than I am.
Unfortunately, if he's going to get elected, he has to be concerned with those people. The type of person I would really like to see as president wouldn't be able to get elected because he/she would stand up to this kind of BS, regardless of the consequences. That's why I really want to believe Obama is just playing the game he needs to play. At the same time, I want to believe he is sincere. I am so conflicted!
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I don't like him, I think he is an opportunist that uses race as a lightening rod to further his own agenda, very much like Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson. I could name other raving lunatics like Pat Buchanan or Robertson that do the exact same thing with white people. Wright sells snake oil and now hes being criticized for it.

You think that he can say the stuff he says and not be held accountable? He is an embarrassment to the Obama camp and he has done what he can to smooth over the situation. I totally understand where he is coming from. Its like that guy you bring to a high society cocktail pty and he keeps making disgusting jokes. If this guy was really Obama's mentor and not some media hungry attention whore he would shut his mouth. Period.

The "guy" like Rev Anthony and many others in the nation made two mistakes if you ask me:

1) thinking that all people had some working relationship with the truth

2) thinking that these self absorbed americans would get that this is no longer about Obama and Clinton and the political silly season---it is about america repeating the same murderous patterns of the past and killing people because of their race.

They have been (and will continue to be) trying to defuse a situation created by the MSM before another church is bombed and children are killed and the good white folks pat themselves on their backs for feeling all bad about it while the bad white folks keep insisting that their willingness to spit on the right of Americans to witness as they chose does not make the America haters.
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The "guy" like Rev Anthony and many others in the nation made two mistakes if you ask me:

1) thinking that all people had some working relationship with the truth

2) thinking that these self absorbed americans would get that this is no longer about Obama and Clinton and the political silly season---it is about america repeating the same murderous patterns of the past and killing people because of their race.

They have been (and will continue to be) trying to defuse a situation created by the MSM before another church is bombed and children are killed and the good white folks pat themselves on their backs for feeling all bad about it while the bad white folks keep insisting that their willingness to spit on the right of Americans to witness as they chose does not make the America haters.
I don't follow you here....sorry my brain is a little soggy
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Unfortunately, if he's going to get elected, he has to be concerned with those people. The type of person I would really like to see as president wouldn't be able to get elected because he/she would stand up to this kind of BS, regardless of the consequences. That's why I really want to believe Obama is just playing the game he needs to play. At the same time, I want to believe he is sincere. I am so conflicted!
You are right. The country deserves a president who can be concerned about all it's people --- including the ones I don't like. Obama's mixed blood seems to have given him that perspective and capablility.

HOWEVER---just like I prefered Edwards desire to kick the corporations in their balls, I have a difference of Obama in opinion on this.

Here is the thing---I would never want to be president! If I built a fence I'd probably build it around Alabama and hire trucks to throw raw meat over the fence every week or so.

I have not tried to hide the fact that I don't have the patience with stupidity that many others have. I suffer fools not at all.

I don't think this is a game at all. I think Obama had a threshold and Wright crossed it---so Obama did what he felt.

STILL---I would have stood up for my right to worship as I chose to, where I chose to, with the pastor I chose to. But hell---I would have told about a hundred people to kiss my ass by now.

When my mother was running for office she loved to have me do speeches for her---I am good at it--they paid enough to make certain my brother and I could write and give a speech. But she used to schedule me in the AM's (early) cause she said that she by 4 PM I might tell Jesus to kiss my ass.

Nothing like having a mom who loves you and understands you---perfectly!
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I don't follow you here....sorry my brain is a little soggy
No one has been able to demonstate that any single word Wright said was not true----just that they didn't like that it was said.

Wright is theologically, politically, and historically accurate. It should not be his problem that people don't like hearing the truth.

The pastors of our communities will be continuing to try to diffuse the hostility and hate that whites have extrapolated to all black churches all over this nation---thanks to the Hillho! So Obama's actions will not shut up Wright or anyone else. AS USUAL---the agreement of some people leads them to form mobs and start pressing their sheets!

The Revs and many other are focused on saving lives right now. Obama can not help because he is a candidate and the MSM would NEVER be able to move any action out of that context and into the context of humanity.

Does that make it clearer?
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