neptune

The notion that the US govt caused AIDS, or that the HIV virus came out of a govt. lab is a bit out there...

That the Reagan administration ignored a growing public health danger for way too many years is indisputable, and in that sense, it may be fair to say the govt contributed to the epidemic.

But I believe Wright said that govt. caused AIDS.

Is that a fact?

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Environment Man

Well Obama is a politician and you are not. Neither am I. So it is easy for us to 'be pure.' He wants the votes of people and he must appeal. I could not do it. Would not do it. Neither would you. Neither could you. Obama must sell his soul as a politician to 'get the power.'

RK77

You must have been editing while I was responding the first time.

I get tired of white people using BULLSHIT like this to excuse their heinous racist beliefs! EVERY black man who speaks out for the African American people is doing so to benefit themselves.

Which benefit would that be? The bomb threats? The FBI taps? The arrests? The constant IRS scrutiny?

In FACT do you really have ANY idea of what goes into being someone who advocates against the status quo in this nation?

I hate to be the one to have to call this to your attention, since it apparently will not fit your narrative---WRIGHT DOES NOT WORK FOR OBAMA!! He never has! It is NOT his JOB to do what is good or bad for Obama.

Are you at all aware of who Marcus Garvey was on what the central theme of his activism was??? There is less than no rational comparison that can be drawn between Garvey and Wright except that they were both Black and both said the word Africa!
Ignorance of that magnitude is nauseating!

What SECT??? How in the HELL would someone who is a member of the white race in this nation refer to ANYTHING as a sect? Do you have any concept of how inbred and ingrained your sect like thinkings and behaviors are???

Have you EVER on the face of this earth seem a more conformist based group? MY GOD!!! For years your people dressed so much a like that you had a culture that looked like automatons! Even the comments of you people here have done NOTHING but reflect a SECT LIKE mentality! You repeat the same bullshit using the same denigrating terms and statements as all the rest of your ilk and skidaddle if called on to defend them---talk about mind controlled---GEEZ!

And CONSTRUCTIVE for WHO?? This man has found a way to reduce the recitivism of felons, structured educational programs for children, built living communities for seniors, structured a myriad of community help programs including vocational training and food programs, feed the poor and arranged housing for the homeless.

PLEASE tell us about your CONSTRUCTIVE contributions to the society in which you live!

The fact that YOU disagree with him does not require that you demonize him or denigrate him. He is not singing the praises of this diseased society you call home---that's all.

Environment Man

AK47 aint taking no prisoners.

TrueBlueAmerican

The Hillary people wanted blood and they got it. Enjoy.

RK77

I am not pure. If you paid attention you would note that I am full of paradoxes.

I don't think that Obama is straying one iota from his beliefs. Most of the half breeds I know think like this. Shit my SO is has the same temperment---"let's all get along" thing that Obama does. Yuk!

itsmeeeeeee

oy vie! whatever!

i don't disagree with wright. i'm STILL not outraged by his comments. at the same time, i understand obama's point of view and sense of betrayal. i don't think wright threw him under the bus - but the media does, so he has a right to feel that it may hurt the campaign and feel betrayed by it.

i just think it's a damn dirty shame that so many people can't understand wright. and that because of that, that it's even an issue. it shouldn't be one.

first, wright isn't running for president.
he REALLY shouldn't be an issue for THAT reason alone.

second, wright may speak in a very different and "scare" and insult a lot of white folk who have a low tolerance level for anything different.
but that's doesn't mean what he said WAS SCARY or INSULTING if properly understood - and therefore, THAT REALLY shouldn't be an issue either!

i'm sure a lot of blacks think white churches are exceedingly weird and boring, but they don't get all bent out of shape and threatened by it. and in it's essense, obama's campaign is about uniting our country in a post-racial place where people AREN'T afraid or insulted by the different ways different people communicate. it's about the NECESSITY for ALL of us to band together in a massive public effort to kick the special interests out of our government and make it work again. when wright made these supposedly controversial remarks, he was talking to a black congregation - not a national audience, and certainly NOT a white audience, and THAT'S why he put the things he said the WAY he did, and nobody in the black congregation he gave those sermons to took offense or thought the comments were controversial in the context of the complete sermon.

i'm know that in a previous post a while back when wright first became "an issue" i mentioned the fact that a minister retired at a tiny rural conservative white church i went to at the time and that he was replaced by a black minister who, at first blush shocked and freaked out all the old switzers who were members. they even petitioned the church to get rid of him, only to be told "no". in the end, several years later, the very same people who threatened to quit if they couldn't get rid of him threatened to quit again when the church wanted to move him to another church.

i was also later married in beloit, wi, which is 60% black, at another black church by another black minister.

so i evidently have a MUCH better understanding of how DIFFERENT black ministers speak and preach - and this understanding helps me NOT to be offended by wright's remarks.

consequently, i STILL don't think that wright said ANYTHING that wasn't true. even the remark about "doing what politicians do" to ME doesn't necessarily mean that obama's just telling people what they want to hear! that statement realistically CAN be interpreted another way - that preachers have one language, politicians have another language and so do physicists, doctors, lawyers, and advertising sales people.

but the problem is, and i guess it's ONLY a problem to people who understand all these things, is that toooo many people can't understand anything new, don't WANT to understand anything new, and never WILL attempt to understand anything new to them. and i think that is indicative of the very basest underlying CAUSE of racism. i don't think you can EVER truly be called a non-racist if you have such thin skin that you refuse to even try to learn the other's language. god knows, we've shoved our language down the black's throat. but evidently, we can't even make the slightest effort to learn their language.

so i guess i DON'T see as much progress - because of what has been revealed via this wright nonsense - in terms of race relations as most of you. and i don't know if that's because i've had unique experiences, or because some people are just lazy or bullheaded and closed minded.

but the bottom line is there's friction, needless destructive friction, because one race doesn't get another.

and say what you will in your defense, but i think those who can't deal with this kind of thing are being willfully ignorant and passively racist.

and absolutely NOTHING you can say will change my opinion on THAT one!

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Environment Man

Well you make my point. YOU don't have to give a fuck and you can afford to be 'full of paradoxes.' Obama cannot. His currency is votes. To get votes you have to please people And if there is one thing we all know about RK77 is that she does not give a good damn about 'please people.'

RK77

You got that right---now remember it!

Rigged

Nice rant. I can almost feel your blood pressure going up.

lol...its not racist to call the fact that he has one agenda to further his own career. If you don't like that opinion, to damn bad. I don't need him to tell him his version of the truth, because there is not ONE TOTAL ENCOMPASSING TRUTH. What he sees at the "Truth" may be radically different from how I perceive things to be. You view every single criticism as "RACISM!!" I don't. Eventually that word loses its power because its used to much in the wrong way.

If you don't like the fact that I am coming down on him for being disingenuous about his agenda. Very well, he reminds me to much of those who would use a communities anger for there own purposes. I don't know what they are, and frankly I don't care. His style, does not appeal to everyone out there and its hurting Obama's numbers. I agree that the Clinton camp, and the press have been spinning but he did make some inflammatory remarks.

I don't agree with a lot of what he says. Period. There is nothing racist about that, however you choose to spin it.

Obama's campaign has "sect" like qualities. A sect, is simply smaller grp that has broken off from a larger one. Obama has broken off from many mainstream democrats, and moderates. So what? Oh yeah, that must be racist also.