Rollerball

A hypothetical and plausible electoral college map of a Democrat winning the national election without Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. NO PROBLEM! I'll get my team of statistitions working on that right away, should have something for you by lunch. Would that be quick enough for you?



...and talking about 'hand picking', did you just happen to randomly pick three of the few states Clinton won for this discussion?



"Do the work for me, and no fair doing what I do! ChopChop!"



Oh, and to answer your question, Without a doubt I believe Obama can win. I reject your premise that he will lose the three states you selected. Unless you have a working crystal ball and seen into the future that Obama lost. Do you have a working crystal ball that can see into the future? Hm?

itsmeeeeeee

hillary just panders to gays. her record sucks.

a LOT of gays are REALLY turning against her. especially after yesterday's "pansey" endorsement! whoooo baby, not going over good! check the comments out on that one on gay sites on the net!

i know for a FACT that she's lost two votes from close friends of mine who are gay recently, who've told me now that they've been getting more and more disillusioned - and it wasn't MY doing! knowing they were hillary supporters, i never discussed hillary with them, and didn't talk pro-obama, either - or the primaries at all, because both had told me in no uncertain terms they were backing hillary and they didn't care to discuss it! but in the last week, they both came to ME and said how disgusted they were - REALLY digusted. one's in NC, and she's just planning NOT to vote, and the other's here in wisconsin and she's backing obama now.

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Yeah I am not sure about the exact numbers, I know Cubans didn't go for Kerry because of the economic relations with Cuba thing.

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BlackVision

Go ahead. I'm very curious to see what red states you're going to paint blue to compensate for 68 electoral votes.

Here is the electoral college map of 2004.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ollege2004.svg

So tell me, which of those red states you see are you going to color blue and come up to 68? Good luck with that.

Are you kidding me? Random? Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania have been the most sought after swing states by both parties in all the recent presidential elections. This has nothing to do with picking states that Hillary won but what both parties consider the 3 most crucial swing states even before the primaries of this year.

BillCosby

Yea I miss you........

You got caught up in all the NBA games & screwed up your priorities like posting here................lol

Do I have to color the map to?? & add those little arrows pointing around????

The game has yet to begin & mcbush is hardly a ronnie regan..... The far right hate his ass as much as the far left........

I think this is gonna turn out to be quite a muddy affair & should be good for lots of laughs.......... jerry springer comes home to rot........

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RK77

[quote]Yes, duffas, you did. AND would mean that all 3 were required OR would any one or two or all three. DUH!


The strong polarizing is the enviornment in which the electoral map tends to change. You have made my point.

Before anyone with any sense would bet with you YOU would need to demonstrate that you know the difference between "AND" and "OR". Geez........

RK77

Exactly. Not a reliable democratic voting block.

RK77

We who? I don't know them.

BlackVision

Apparently someone has poor language skills. Note that I stated the following:

"You believe a democrat candidate can win the White House without those states? Please draw up a hypothetical and plausible electoral college map of a Democrat winning the national election without Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania."--BlackVision


To which you replied:

"Sure Easy - Bill Clinton -- 1992 won without Florida"--RK77


Clearly showing your lack of comprehension ability. Obviously if I'm using the word "and" all the above must apply "Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania" I can't actually believe I have to pull out a dictionary out for you but:

and (conj) 1—used as a function word to indicate connection or addition especially of items within the same class or type ; used to join sentence elements of the same grammatical rank or function

or (conj) 1—used as a function word to indicate an alternative

Source: Merriam Webster

You see the word "and' joins the elements. In this case the elements are Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. But in your reply you tried to separate the elements by stating that Bill Clinton lost Florida but yet won Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Now if I stated:

"You believe a democrat candidate can win the White House without those states? Please draw up a hypothetical and plausible electoral college map of a Democrat winning the national election without Florida, Ohio, "OR" Pennsylvania."

I would be separating the elements rather than combining them. Then you can correctly respond:

"Sure Easy - Bill Clinton -- 1992 won without Florida"

But that's not what happened is it? If I made the following statement "I'm going to eat pop tarts and bagels for breakfast" Am I stating that I will eat both pop tarts and bagels or that I might eat one or the other? Seriously, go to your local community college, take some night classes, and brush up on your language skills... I hope you didn't just confuse the preceding sentence as though you can just pick to do one. *rolls eyes*

Exactly what states are you expecting to change? California turning red? Texas turning blue? Provide some evidence that a change is occurring or just let it go. If a change so was evident, you should easily be able to answer this...

Name all the previous red states in recent past elections that you expect to turn blue or has a strong possibility of turning blue for a Democrat nominee. If you're having a difficult time answering this question, it just clearly shows the electoral college map isn't changing much and that you're just blowing air.

LOL. "Hey kettle you're black"

StillNoScript

Don't give a shit. I want Obama to be the next president, more than the other two candidates. Already voted for Obama in my state, still pulling for him. Say whatever you want. The fact that Obama made it this far sends a clear message to McCain. That Bush bullshit is over, and Obama is definitely running in '12, no matter what. So I don't think a McCain presidency will be all that bad. He won't invade Iran. He won't be able to sell it like Bush did. He doesn't have the charisma (nor the congress). The second McCain announced the invasion, all hell would break loose.

I'll vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination without Fla and Michigan, where Obama didn't campaign. She pulls that "nuclear option" crap, and fuck her. I'll never vote for her. I'll be writing Obama in on my ballot in November (along with 90% of Obama voters, making certain that Hillary has no chance of becoming president). But if she wins enough states left on the schedule and the popular votes and delegates go her way, and the super's decide to back her, I'm cool with her.

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