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Old 05-03-2008, 02:35 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Judging by their actions, and publicly expressed preferences, (operation chaos, etc.) the Right certainly feels as though they have something to attack Hillary with.

The repukes still control the judicial system and at present the judge in CA has postponed setting a date for Hillary's testimony in the clinton fraud trial until after the Nov election.

I would be quite interesting if they simply waited until Sept, gave here a testimony date in mid to late October and publicized it and voila---4 more years of Repuke control.

Just a thought---maybe the neocons are supporting Hillary because they want to get a second shot at Bill.
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Old 05-03-2008, 02:51 PM   #22 (permalink)
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The repukes still control the judicial system and at present the judge in CA has postponed setting a date for Hillary's testimony in the clinton fraud trial until after the Nov election.
Excuse me. I can't even express how wrong that is. For your information, California is one of the most liberal and experimental circuits and I for one, know, that if there are any corrupt judges they do not sit on the California bench. The judge postponed it for reasons that are most likely procedural. If you don't like the verdict there are ways to appeal it. FYI most trials take 1-3 years, (if they go to trial, 90% of all cases are settled out of court).

Political affiliation has nothing to do with civil procedure.

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I would be quite interesting if they simply waited until Sept, gave here a testimony date in mid to late October and publicized it and voila---4 more years of Repuke control.

Just a thought---maybe the neocons are supporting Hillary because they want to get a second shot at Bill.
The trial isn't going to solve anything. It will most likely be appealed and held up for another 2-3 years (if they go to trial at all). I have my doubts but I haven't been watching very carefully.
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Old 05-03-2008, 11:01 PM   #23 (permalink)
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How quaint you have such confidence in the US judicial system.

There are many mistakes and many innocents behind bars.

Tainted Trials, Stolen Justice - San Jose Mercury News
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Old 05-05-2008, 10:48 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I must say, you certainly have an appropriate name. First off, Ken Starr's investigation centered on Bill, not Hillary. There is alot of stuff about Hillary that did not come up. The Republicans are keeping thier powder dry against her, don't fool yourself any more than you already have. The Republicans are chomping at the bit to run against her and with good reason. Also, do you honestly believe that just because some of her dirt has already come up in the past that people aren't gonna dig it up again? People tend to have a short attention span and when this stuff is dug up again and shoved into thier faces they are gonna go "Oh yeah! now I remember". Who knows maybe they wont dredge up the old stuff, they might not have to. She does have a criminal trial upcoming in November.
As you say; First off: Ken Starr’s only mandate was to investigate the “White Water” land deal, which was Hillary (her law firm, from when Bill was Governor). When he could not get anything on Hillary, he went “off the reservation” on an illegal fishing expedition, looking for anything that he could find. The only thing that he did find was a stain on a dress. If the republicans want to try to tie Hillary to that, they are welcomed to it.

It is not a question of digging up dirt. It is the question of slinging mud around, just to see how much of it sticks. You can throw all of the old dirt at Hillary that you want, Starr could not get any of it to stick then, and that is all that Hillary has to say about it before she moves on with her campaign message of the week.

Each candidate only gets so many ten second sound bites. The whole point of mud slinging is to force a candidate off of their campaign, by forcing them on to the defensive, answering asinine questions that have nothing to do with the campaign.
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Old 05-05-2008, 11:07 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Judging by their actions, and publicly expressed preferences, (operation chaos, etc.) the Right certainly feels as though they have something to attack Hillary with.
Of course they are not going to come right out and say that they have less on Hillary than they could manufacture about Obama. On the other hand, look at the cross over voting since “Super Tuesday”! In Texas, and ever since Texas, Republican cross over voting has been heavily for Obama. Republicans tend to do their talking with their money, and their votes. And Obama has been getting the lions share of both.

Then again . . . I never said that Hillary is squeaky clean. I only pointed out, that Obama makes a much bigger target. Thus a much easier target to hit.

McCain (Republicans) cannot run on any of the issues. Things in this country have not been this bad since Reagan was President. Their only working strategy is to run against the other candidate. Which is why McCain is so quiet right now! He has no clue who to run against!!!

In a mud slinging campaign: Who would you rather run against? Someone with sixteen years experience (eight years with a husband in the White House, and eight years in New York politics) dealing with your shit, or someone who has no experience at all with this kind of politics?
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Most Americans tend to suffer from a major case of tunnel vision every four years. Yes . . . This is a leap year, which means Presidential elections. However . . . The presidency is not the only office up for grabs. There also a large number of congressional seats that will be decided, as well as the presidency.

The Republicans have two distinct, yet separate problems this election year. Hanging on to the White House, and keeping as many congressional seats as they can. The Democrats have two presidential candidates.

If Obama gets the nomination: It will be better for the presidential race. Obama is relatively unknown, and Republicans know that they can run their attacks adds against him, much more efficiently, giving McCain a better chance of winning the precedential race. However . . . If Obama wins the nomination. Most Clinton supports will turn out in the general election to support Obama anyway! If only to vote against McCain. This would be very bad for the Republican congressional races.

If Clinton wins the nomination: This is bad for McCain. The Republicans loose the White House, out right. The Republicans would have nothing to run against. However . . . It would be very good for the congressional races. Since most Obama supporters would most likely decide to not vote at all, since their man did not get the nomination. Which would mean (potentially) millions of lost votes for the congressional seats.

From the Republican perspective: Obama gives McCain a better chance of winning the presidency, but would cost the Republicans congressional seats. Clinton would win the White House, but the party would have a much better chance of retaining more congressional seats. It is a lose-lose situation for the Republicans.

From the Democratic perspective: Obama would essentially make the presidency a rubber stamp, for the Democratic controlled congress. For the first time in decades, congress would actually be able to get some over due, and much needed work done. Making necessary repairs to the country, from all of the damage that has been done to this country for the last quarter century, is the primary concern of the Democratic party right now. So the party wants Clinton to bow out, and let the presidential election work itself out. With any luck, the Democrats stand to gain enough seats to override most McCain vetoes, if Obama should lose.

For both parties: The presidential election is just a side show event. For most Americans: Suffering from ‘presidential tunnel vision! ‘ It is congress that is responsible for getting the work done, and the current stalemate has got to end, before it is too late.

The best that the Republicans can hope for, is a split. A Republican White House, to try to counter the democratic controlled congress. Which is why there is this split in the Republican cross-over voting. Fighting for the White House would almost certainly mean giving up the congress, but would give the Republicans some veto power over the congressional.
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